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Trumps dingdonged himself.

The bottom line is people care mostly (day to day) about money. And when it's at one end of the scale, ie the 'can I make ends meet' end...people will be anxious, worried and scared. It's on your mind, daily.

Trumps at the other end of the scale, accumulate for the sake of it (or the micro dingdong swinging). The voters, he promised them dis and dat, but they were just useful idiots to him. He's never walked in their shoes. He doesn't get, or is frankly interested, in their reality.

His main aims are to grift his way through this term and then keep his arse out of jail.
 
Trumps dingdonged himself.

The bottom line is people care mostly (day to day) about money. And when it's at one end of the scale, ie the 'can I make ends meet' end...people will be anxious, worried and scared. It's on your mind, daily.

Trumps at the other end of the scale, accumulate for the sake of it (or the micro dingdong swinging). The voters, he promised them dis and dat, but they were just useful idiots to him. He's never walked in their shoes. He doesn't get, or is frankly interested, in their reality.

His main aims are to grift his way through this term and then keep his arse out of jail.

Well this is it, you can't con the poor anymore with the distractions because they are feeling it in the supermarkets and at the gas pumps.

The Ice distraction and all as settled, people are just not falling for it. It tests patriotism to the max when you are asking people to back the Iran war when you can't afford to eat.......
 
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Well this is it, you can't con the poor anymore with the distractions because they are feeling it in the supermarkets and at the gas pumps.

The Ice distraction and all as settled, people are just not falling for it. Its test patriotism to the max when you are asking people to back the Iran war when you can't afford to eat.......
Trump just doesn't have the lived experience to know or feel what these people are on about. (Plus, he doesn't care)

The reason the distractions don't work, is your daily distraction is having a roof over your head, heating your home, clothing your family and food on the table. 10X this if you have kids. They are your goals. Everything else is very small if you're struggling to meet those goals week to week.

Trumps idea that some strongman act or Hollywood movie type action hero or mob boss is good for his approval rating is misguided. For the reason it comes across that it's all about him...when they want it to be all about them. (He just doesn't care)

He thought his 'art of the deal' gonads could be brought to geopolitics and it just doesn't compute. He's been slapped around in that arena. It's just been a soap opera.

Even if his approval rating falls to zero, it'll be worth it (to him) just so he can
carry on grifting and making his family rich.
 
Trump just doesn't have the lived experience to know or feel what these people are on about. (Plus, he doesn't care)

The reason the distractions don't work, is your daily distraction is having a roof over your head, heating your home, clothing your family and food on the table. 10X this if you have kids. They are your goals. Everything else is very small if you're struggling to meet those goals week to week.

Trumps idea that some strongman act or Hollywood movie type action hero or mob boss is good for his approval rating is misguided. For the reason it comes across that it's all about him...when they want it to be all about them. (He just doesn't care)

He thought his 'art of the deal' gonads could be brought to geopolitics and it just doesn't compute. He's been slapped around in that arena. It's just been a soap opera.

Even if his approval rating falls to zero, it'll be worth it (to him) just so he can
carry on grifting and making his family rich.
Indeed. The man who lived by polls never mentions them anymore. Three more years to accumulate as much wealth as possible for his family - that (and satiating his need for constant attention) is that all he's interested in now.
 
Sorry I am not seeing some of these thread for some reason, on what vaccines? Things like Polio and MMR trial information is out there for anyone to see.

Specifically a pre licensing placebo controlled safety trial for a childhood vaccine. If it’s out there why did Fauci not supply RFK with it as part of the litigation ?
 
Specifically a pre licensing placebo controlled safety trial for a childhood vaccine. If it’s out there why did Fauci not supply RFK with it as part of the litigation ?
Not sure I understand, some vaccines have been around for years and have been tried tested and approve. Which are you specifically referring to.

This goes a way to explaining the generics of the vaccine debate:


They are not going to retest Polio and MMR vaccines when the original data is out there, just at the whim and request of RFK, how long have they been on the market and proven safe and effective? 40/50 years each?
 
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Not sure I understand, some vaccines have been around for years and have been tried tested and approve. Which are you specifically referring to.

This goes a way to explaining the generics of the vaccine debate:


They are not going to retest Polio and MMR vaccines when the original data is out there, just at the whim and request of RFK, how long have they been on the market and proven safe and effective? 40/50 years each?

You’re not answering my question. Fauci claimed that the level of safety testing which RFK requested (double blind placebo) was in place for all childhood vaccines. When pushed to provide that testing as part of a litigation, rather than providing it, he said it does not exist. Why?

If you want to make the arguement it’s not required sure. But Fauci didn’t make that argument, lied about it and backtracked later.

To your point that they don’t require that level of safety testing because they have been around for 50 years, vaccines used even 3 years ago will have differences in formulation, dosage, and manufacturing method. So from 50 years ago it’s a world of difference. Plus the number of vaccines administered has gone up 10x and that had to be factored in.

The article you cited leaves out a critical part of RFK’s conversation with Rogan. What the FDA classes as safety testing is not a randomized double-blind salene only placebo trial which is what RFK is calling for and whats required for the majority of medications avalible in the US. They just take out the antigen. Your not only testing the safety and effectiveness of that your testing all ingredients.

Almost all vaccines on today’s US childhood schedule in their current forms were not tested in new trials against a saline only placebo. If you want to argue it’s not required you can do that. But what you cannot do is claim it happens, like Fauci did, because that would be a lie.
 
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You’re not answering my question. Fauci claimed that the level of safety testing which RFK requested (double blind placebo) was in place for all childhood vaccines. When pushed to provide that testing as part of a litigation, rather than providing it, he said it does not exist. Why?

If you want to make the arguement it’s not required sure. But Fauci didn’t make that argument, lied about it and backtracked later.

To your point that they don’t require that level of safety testing because they have been around for 50 years, vaccines used even 3 years ago will have differences in formulation, dosage, and manufacturing method. So from 50 years ago it’s a world of difference. Plus the number of vaccines administered has gone up 10x and that had to be factored in.

The article you cited leaves out a critical part of RFK’s conversation with Rogan. What the FDA classes as safety testing is not a randomized double-blind salene only placebo trial which is what RFK is calling for and whats required for the majority of medications avalible in the US. They just take out the antigen. Your not only testing the safety and effectiveness of that your testing all ingredients.

Almost all vaccines on today’s US childhood schedule in their current forms were not tested in new trials against a saline only placebo. If you want to argue it’s not required you can do that. But what you cannot do is claim it happens, like Fauci did, because that would be a lie.
I didnt answer because I am still unsure what vaccines you are referring to? All vaccines or specific types?

Can I ask you a genuine question here, given I think you are a vaccines skeptical and place alot of belief in RFK because you follow the same course of thinking, do you think vaccines cause autism? I know we have rubbed up on these arguments but I am genuinely curious in that, no hidden point, good faith question. Or do you think RFK is taking hustle skepticism too far with that claim?
 
I didnt answer because I am still unsure what vaccines you are referring to? All vaccines or specific types?

Can I ask you a genuine question here, given I think you are a vaccines skeptical and place alot of belief in RFK because you follow the same course of thinking, do you think vaccines cause autism? I know we have rubbed up on these arguments but I am genuinely curious in that, no hidden point, good faith question. Or do you think RFK is taking hustle skepticism too far with that claim?

RFK is referring to all vaccines on the US childhood schedule because there is not a single vaccine currently only the schedule that has gone through a double blind salene placebo controlled safety trial. This has happened in some instances in the past but as ingredients as formulation, dosage, and manufacturing methods change that level of testing should be required again as it is for other types of medications. The Polio vaccine that someone got in 1976 is so different to the one my son would get in 2026, of course it should have to undergo the most rigerous level of safety testing all over again.

RFK specifically is he grifting? No. He was vaccine skeptical decades before it became a mainstream opinion that he could financially or politically benefit from. This was only a hinderence to him until Covid.

My own belief. It’s not a simple yes or no answer. Mainly because Autism is such a complex disorder. Elon Musk, the richest man in the world is Autistic. As is my 14 year old nephew, who is non verbal and has the brain capacity of a toddler. That is gets classed as the same disorder makes absolutely no sense.

Can you address these questions I have.

1. Vaccines have been associated with conditions that can affect cerebral blood and oxygen flow. Reduced oxygen flow to the brain is widely considered as a major risk factor that contributes to the development of Autism along with multiple other health issues. Why does 2+2 not = 4 here?

2. There are hundreds of thousands of parents who detail their children’s development deteriorating close to recieving a vaccination. In some cases it’s almost immediate. These reports pre date social media and “right wing misonformation”. Infact being anti vaccine was very much a left wing talking point until Covid. Why are they all wrong?

3. Why is the personal expirience I have with my wife, who who administerd vaccines and saw it directly impact children, discounted? She’s not the only Nurse she worked with that changed professions/retired due to it. We are still friends with active Nurses who do no vaccinate their children or have them on a delayed schedule. Do you really think they are quitting six figure jobs and risking their children’s lives because they listened to a Joe Rogan episode?

4. Why are you not suspicious of profit motivated multinational pharmecutical corporations that have paid out trillions in lawsuits for malpractice relating to products they developed. Where they have been proven to have been aware of both the ineffectiveness of those products as well as health and saftey issues they can cause. Then it’s also been proven they have manipulated saftey trials to mislead health professionals and the public. Then factor in that they are federally protected from legal action in the event of a vaccine related injury for product which undergoes less rigerous safety testing than the ones they are proven to have lied about.
 
RFK is referring to all vaccines on the US childhood schedule because there is not a single vaccine currently only the schedule that has gone through a double blind salene placebo controlled safety trial. This has happened in some instances in the past but as ingredients as formulation, dosage, and manufacturing methods change that level of testing should be required again as it is for other types of medications. The Polio vaccine that someone got in 1976 is so different to the one my son would get in 2026, of course it should have to undergo the most rigerous level of safety testing all over again.

RFK specifically is he grifting? No. He was vaccine skeptical decades before it became a mainstream opinion that he could financially or politically benefit from. This was only a hinderence to him until Covid.

My own belief. It’s not a simple yes or no answer. Mainly because Autism is such a complex disorder. Elon Musk, the richest man in the world is Autistic. As is my 14 year old nephew, who is non verbal and has the brain capacity of a toddler. That is gets classed as the same disorder makes absolutely no sense.

Can you address these questions I have.

1. Vaccines have been associated with conditions that can affect cerebral blood and oxygen flow. Reduced oxygen flow to the brain is widely considered as a major risk factor that contributes to the development of Autism along with multiple other health issues. Why does 2+2 not = 4 here?

2. There are hundreds of thousands of parents who detail their children’s development deteriorating close to recieving a vaccination. In some cases it’s almost immediate. These reports pre date social media and “right wing misonformation”. Infact being anti vaccine was very much a left wing talking point until Covid. Why are they all wrong?

3. Why is the personal expirience I have with my wife, who who administerd vaccines and saw it directly impact children, discounted? She’s not the only Nurse she worked with that changed professions/retired due to it. We are still friends with active Nurses who do no vaccinate their children or have them on a delayed schedule. Do you really think they are quitting six figure jobs and risking their children’s lives because they listened to a Joe Rogan episode?

4. Why are you not suspicious of profit motivated multinational pharmecutical corporations that have paid out trillions in lawsuits for malpractice relating to products they developed. Where they have been proven to have been aware of both the ineffectiveness of those products as well as health and saftey issues they can cause. Then it’s also been proven they have manipulated saftey trials to mislead health professionals and the public. Then factor in that they are federally protected from legal action in the event of a vaccine related injury for product which undergoes less rigerous safety testing than the ones they are proven to have lied about.

I will come back on this, it might not be today as its alot to take in and reply to and I have a day of meetings and a dinner, but I will come back to it
 
Interesting discussion, wanted to join it for a moment...I will say re: Autism, it is a spectrum IMO. I think the term 'disorder' in a general sense is inaccurate. I would certainly concede that some Autism and autistic traits are classified as disorders, high-functioning Autism is not so much a disorder as it is a different cycle of application. To simplify my view, autism which requires very specific external care, parameters, and living conditions would likely qualify as a disorder. Autism which require minimal support/structure does not IMO. I accept this is a discussion and definition which will have many different angles and perspectives.

Can you address these questions I have.

1. Vaccines have been associated with conditions that can affect cerebral blood and oxygen flow. Reduced oxygen flow to the brain is widely considered as a major risk factor that contributes to the development of Autism along with multiple other health issues. Why does 2+2 not = 4 here?

There are so many potential contributors to things such as reduced oxygen-flow to the brain (environmental - literally what's in the air and the volume of it depending on where you live). The oxygen-to-brain link comes mostly from things which happen in and around birth/preemies I thought, when frankly, all manner of conditions can occur. And if vaccines can/do cause Autism, which end of the scale are we looking at? Because as discussed, have we not established that there is a wide spectrum? I genuinely think it's too hard to make such a definitive call. Personally, I have always got vaccines. I have been managing some health issues for years with a mixture of exercise, lifestyle, and moderate diet. I got 6 rounds of covid vaccine over the spell of it. I got it once, lightly. I am doing very well in all aspects.



2. There are hundreds of thousands of parents who detail their children’s development deteriorating close to recieving a vaccination. In some cases it’s almost immediate. These reports pre date social media and “right wing misonformation”. Infact being anti vaccine was very much a left wing talking point until Covid. Why are they all wrong?

I think there's a lot of generalisation here? Which vaccines? What development deteriorates? Hundreds of thousands of parents globally? What's the context/ I am sure some children suffer adverse affects to some vaccines. I suspect with any sort of medical matter, some people have reactions to either the medicines or procedures. I am not sure it is such a straight-fit. I suppose the main question becomes just how robust is the natural immune system versus the influx of 'ingredients' into our environment every day. What once worked flawlessly now needs assistance as new strains and illness rise up. I suppose it is possible that conspiracists are right and that these are all 'created in labs' and 'avoidable'. I don't know. I do believe information gets amplified and weaponised however.


3. Why is the personal expirience I have with my wife, who who administerd vaccines and saw it directly impact children, discounted? She’s not the only Nurse she worked with that changed professions/retired due to it. We are still friends with active Nurses who do no vaccinate their children or have them on a delayed schedule. Do you really think they are quitting six figure jobs and risking their children’s lives because they listened to a Joe Rogan episode?

You have a unique perspective here, and one I certainly would not dream of arguing against. I would be interested to know the percentage of children who get vaccinated and see none of these negative impacts.



4. Why are you not suspicious of profit motivated multinational pharmecutical corporations that have paid out trillions in lawsuits for malpractice relating to products they developed. Where they have been proven to have been aware of both the ineffectiveness of those products as well as health and saftey issues they can cause. Then it’s also been proven they have manipulated saftey trials to mislead health professionals and the public. Then factor in that they are federally protected from legal action in the event of a vaccine related injury for product which undergoes less rigerous safety testing than the ones they are proven to have lied about.

I am suspicious of multinational corporations in general. I am even more suspicious of governments which look to tear down checks & balances without anything in their place other than personal theories driving policy. I suppose it comes down to how bent you believe the CDC and FDA are/were. Me? Oh I'm sure there was some corruption -sadly, big business will always have elements of it as I don't believe that capitalism is a pure endeavor in that regard and there will always be 'soilers' - however I think to gut these depts and eradicate other smaller but very important health offices is exceptionally dangerous and leaves us in a situation where we could end up scrambling hard in a future health crisis (which will leave more corruption than ever as a viable outcome given we will have no real information as research has been gutted). The throttling/destruction of biomed research is exceptionally dangerous. I have a good friend in cancer research; he says it's very worrying.

Whilst I admire holisitic medicine and practices, I think it is exceptionally dangerous to eschew western med/pharm as evil, etc. As with most things, people could do with being a little more in touch with their own bodies and minds, plus balance of approach to therapies and cures is important. But I believe that Kennedy is doing some dangerous things.
 
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