MartyFunkhouser
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First let me be clear on a few things.
I don’t think the science is close to settled on it being a genetic issue. That’s just where the money for research goes. Even if it is the case, as you point out there would also be pre and post natal conditions that then factor in. My brother and my cousin both have autistic children. No Dr has ever told us if anything we should do differently based on that genetic risk. Both during pregnancy or after. Never even heard an example of that happening to be honest have you?
My belief is that one of those post natal factors which could make a child, who is genetically at a higher risk, is a lack of oxygen flow to the brain. We know that can be caused by vaccination and we also know it’s viewed as a causation of Autism. We also know that vaccines cause seizures and that seizures are associated to Autism. In terms of which end of the spectrum I am really not sure. As I said I really don’t think they should even be classed as the same disorder.
Here is a link to parents speaking about their children developing Autism immediately following a vaccination round. Do you really believe they are all just confused and didn’t realise their children have severe health issues before hand?
We can agree to disagree on how close a Nurse is to a Dr. However my wife specifically is as close to being a Dr as a Nurse could be without being one. Has a Masters degree from one of the top Nursing schools in the country along with advanced clinical training. She was fully licensed to diagnose, treat, and prescribe for patients. Spent over a decade working very closely to very close to Drs in practical clinical settings. They administer the treatment and monitor the patient and follow the same standardized evidence-based protocols.
In terms of her specific experiences.
The worst she still feels an enormous amount of guilt over and has nightmares. A perfectly healthy boy who had met all developmental milestones at 18 months. MMR was administered and he almost immediately goes in to seizures which continue to this day. I can remember the phone call I had with her that day and the pain in her voice. The boy was diagnosed as Autistic as far out on the spectrum as you can be. Non verbal. Needs 24/7 care. Can’t go to the toilet by himself. Life has been completely ruined.
She said when she first started internship at a practice the nurses would joke about having to contact VAERS. That it would be a weekly occurrence. She has it documented how many reports she had to file and it was over 250 in an 11 year career. Vaccine injuries were common. Multiple cases of children who had been meeting developmental milestones with no issues who were diagnosed began to show a decline close to vaccination and later diagnosed as Autistic. She says it was more common in boys and in particular African-American boys.
Other health issues that could be tied back to vaccines were more common though. Seizures was one. Developing allergies and gut health issues were the most frequent. Physical issues like toe walking and twitches There was a clear correlation between how young children were when getting vaccines and a negative reaction or ongoing health issue.
The nurses and some of the Drs would discuss it. Most acknowledged there was a problem but there was always a belief that your saving more children that you are harming so you just need to get on with it. But they would all have at least a delayed schedule for their own children. When Covid came along and the mandates came in she said no chance and quit a 11 year career ,which required 6 years of University, where her final annual salary was over $100k.
Went deeper into her research on vaccines and was stunned by the the amount of misleading, and in some cases outright lies about safety measures she was told.
When we was first together and she was going to school and I would do to her family for Thanksgiving/Christmas etc she would have full scale shouting matches with her cousin who was anti vaccine. In every other way she would make Polanski look like Farage that’s how far to the left this cousin is. It used to be a left wing talking point. Now when they see each other it’s “I told you so” and the cousins hates how this has become a MAGA talking point. My wife is to the left on most things as well.
One of her closest friends feels the same. Single Mum so she can’t just quit so she moved to a clinic that is parent choice so almost every child that goes there is unvaccinated. The ones that are will be the older children in that family, usually pre date Covid. She will tell you there is only one unvaccinated child she sees with Autism and he had low oxygen at birth and never met any developmental milestones. No kids with seizures. Food allergies to things like nuts and dairy only in the vaccinated kids. It’s like they are living on a different planet.
We have another friend that’s an elementary school teacher. The unvaccinated kids need to have a medical or religous exemption to overrule the mandates. There used to be maybe 1 kid every few years but it’s usually 1/3 of the class now. She says they rarely get sick. A flu or stomach bug will rip through her class and most of the kids will miss multiple days but never the unvaccinated ones. No allergies or stomach problem. No behavioural issues that would be diagnosed like an ADHD.
Again I am not suggesting, nor does my wife want vaccines to be abolished. She thinks we don’t need so many, that the safety testing is no fit for purpose, and there needs to be significant research in to why some children will have a negative reaction and develop health issues, which includes Autism. Until that happens, she will support politicians that do push for this and she won’t be vaccinating our children.
First let me be clear on a few things.
- Both my wife and I beleive vaccines to be effective and for the most part do what was intended, in preventing that disease.
- Her concern is over the safety of multiple vaccinations, paticuarly at a young age. Yes many of these vaccines have been around for decades, but it’s relatively recent that children are mandated to have 50+ shots.
- We do not beleive vaccines are the only cause of Autism or its the only health risk which caused by vaccination.
- Getting 6 Covid shots is genuinely mental.
I don’t think the science is close to settled on it being a genetic issue. That’s just where the money for research goes. Even if it is the case, as you point out there would also be pre and post natal conditions that then factor in. My brother and my cousin both have autistic children. No Dr has ever told us if anything we should do differently based on that genetic risk. Both during pregnancy or after. Never even heard an example of that happening to be honest have you?
My belief is that one of those post natal factors which could make a child, who is genetically at a higher risk, is a lack of oxygen flow to the brain. We know that can be caused by vaccination and we also know it’s viewed as a causation of Autism. We also know that vaccines cause seizures and that seizures are associated to Autism. In terms of which end of the spectrum I am really not sure. As I said I really don’t think they should even be classed as the same disorder.
Here is a link to parents speaking about their children developing Autism immediately following a vaccination round. Do you really believe they are all just confused and didn’t realise their children have severe health issues before hand?
We can agree to disagree on how close a Nurse is to a Dr. However my wife specifically is as close to being a Dr as a Nurse could be without being one. Has a Masters degree from one of the top Nursing schools in the country along with advanced clinical training. She was fully licensed to diagnose, treat, and prescribe for patients. Spent over a decade working very closely to very close to Drs in practical clinical settings. They administer the treatment and monitor the patient and follow the same standardized evidence-based protocols.
In terms of her specific experiences.
The worst she still feels an enormous amount of guilt over and has nightmares. A perfectly healthy boy who had met all developmental milestones at 18 months. MMR was administered and he almost immediately goes in to seizures which continue to this day. I can remember the phone call I had with her that day and the pain in her voice. The boy was diagnosed as Autistic as far out on the spectrum as you can be. Non verbal. Needs 24/7 care. Can’t go to the toilet by himself. Life has been completely ruined.
She said when she first started internship at a practice the nurses would joke about having to contact VAERS. That it would be a weekly occurrence. She has it documented how many reports she had to file and it was over 250 in an 11 year career. Vaccine injuries were common. Multiple cases of children who had been meeting developmental milestones with no issues who were diagnosed began to show a decline close to vaccination and later diagnosed as Autistic. She says it was more common in boys and in particular African-American boys.
Other health issues that could be tied back to vaccines were more common though. Seizures was one. Developing allergies and gut health issues were the most frequent. Physical issues like toe walking and twitches There was a clear correlation between how young children were when getting vaccines and a negative reaction or ongoing health issue.
The nurses and some of the Drs would discuss it. Most acknowledged there was a problem but there was always a belief that your saving more children that you are harming so you just need to get on with it. But they would all have at least a delayed schedule for their own children. When Covid came along and the mandates came in she said no chance and quit a 11 year career ,which required 6 years of University, where her final annual salary was over $100k.
Went deeper into her research on vaccines and was stunned by the the amount of misleading, and in some cases outright lies about safety measures she was told.
When we was first together and she was going to school and I would do to her family for Thanksgiving/Christmas etc she would have full scale shouting matches with her cousin who was anti vaccine. In every other way she would make Polanski look like Farage that’s how far to the left this cousin is. It used to be a left wing talking point. Now when they see each other it’s “I told you so” and the cousins hates how this has become a MAGA talking point. My wife is to the left on most things as well.
One of her closest friends feels the same. Single Mum so she can’t just quit so she moved to a clinic that is parent choice so almost every child that goes there is unvaccinated. The ones that are will be the older children in that family, usually pre date Covid. She will tell you there is only one unvaccinated child she sees with Autism and he had low oxygen at birth and never met any developmental milestones. No kids with seizures. Food allergies to things like nuts and dairy only in the vaccinated kids. It’s like they are living on a different planet.
We have another friend that’s an elementary school teacher. The unvaccinated kids need to have a medical or religous exemption to overrule the mandates. There used to be maybe 1 kid every few years but it’s usually 1/3 of the class now. She says they rarely get sick. A flu or stomach bug will rip through her class and most of the kids will miss multiple days but never the unvaccinated ones. No allergies or stomach problem. No behavioural issues that would be diagnosed like an ADHD.
Again I am not suggesting, nor does my wife want vaccines to be abolished. She thinks we don’t need so many, that the safety testing is no fit for purpose, and there needs to be significant research in to why some children will have a negative reaction and develop health issues, which includes Autism. Until that happens, she will support politicians that do push for this and she won’t be vaccinating our children.
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