American politics

[robp135]

I look at the level of scepticism on what science tells us about health to almost the idea that you wouldn't get on a plane because you don't trust the airline or the science or the pilot.

You don’t have to go far to find an example of the scientific consensus, or at least what message gets broadcast to the public, turns out to be completley false and it was actively covered up for financial gain. Opioids in the US is a clear example. The amount of products that were known to cause cancers and it was covered up. Thamaldohide was a big issue in Britain. You can even go back to Cigerettes being promoted as healthy in the 1950’s.

 

[glasgowspur]

Ever? Or just not to a point where it should not change how vaccines are currently provided to children?

Ever is a big word, but yes I would say in my very nonexpert opinion never.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Ever is a big word, but yes I would say in my very nonexpert opinion never.

Agreed. And with some level of knowledge (expertise is a big claim for me) I can say the MMR autism link has been thoroughly debunked. There's is literally no correlation or causation when all aspects are considered. And correlation itself has no value until causation is understood.

 

[robp135]

Agreed. And with some level of knowledge (expertise is a big claim for me) I can say the MMR autism link has been thoroughly debunked. There's is literally no correlation or causation when all aspects are considered. And correlation itself has no value until causation is understood.

So not all vaccines ?

 

[robp135]

Ever is a big word, but yes I would say in my very nonexpert opinion never.

How would you then explain the expirience my wife had as a pediatric nurse administering vaccines?

 

[glasgowspur]

You don’t have to go far to find an example of the scientific consensus, or at least what message gets broadcast to the public, turns out to be completley false and it was actively covered up for financial gain. Opioids in the US is a clear example. The amount of products that were known to cause cancers and it was covered up. Thamaldohide was a big issue in Britain. You can even go back to Cigerettes being promoted as healthy in the 1950’s.

We should definitely approach anything that someone is making a lot of money from with scepticism, but there's a balancing act of not doing more harm by not taking medication.

Now I have to say that I don't take any medicine that I don't have to take, even painkillers, or any "supplements".
I was vehemently against the mandatory covid vaccine. Due to personal circumstances I took the first vaccination, circumstances that affected my personality, under normal circumstances I would not have taken it.
I don't think my life was ever at serious risk, my life, not saying anyone else was in the same situation.
The lie, and it was a lie that much has been admitted, that the vaccine stopped it spreading meant that me taking the was imho pointless.
Do I think the covid vaccine was dangerous to 99% of the population, no, do I think it has caused adverse reactions in some, yes.
But there are some unfortunate people out there who have reactions to what most of us consider benign substances, it doesn't mean we all will.

 

[glasgowspur]

How would you then explain the expirience my wife had as a pediatric nurse administering vaccines?

Honestly, I can't.
As I say I'm no expert, I giving an opinion, I would also never argue with someone like your wife who not only has that amount of knowledge, experience and who obviously cares as much as she does.

 

[LutonSpurs]

So not all vaccines ?

Each vaccine has its own data dude. They are not a monolith.

 

[LutonSpurs]

We should definitely approach anything that someone is making a lot of money from with scepticism, but there's a balancing act of not doing more harm by not taking medication.

Now I have to say that I don't take any medicine that I don't have to take, even painkillers, or any "supplements".
I was vehemently against the mandatory covid vaccine. Due to personal circumstances I took the first vaccination, circumstances that affected my personality, under normal circumstances I would not have taken it.
I don't think my life was ever at serious risk, my life, not saying anyone else was in the same situation.
The lie, and it was a lie that much has been admitted, that the vaccine stopped it spreading meant that me taking the was imho pointless.
Do I think the covid vaccine was dangerous to 99% of the population, no, do I think it has caused adverse reactions in some, yes.
But there are some unfortunate people out there who have reactions to what most of us consider benign substances, it doesn't mean we all will.

The vaccine slowed the spread down to just about stop the health system from crashing. That then saved lives. I think it was a net positive. While I don't begrudge any vaccine hesitancy that's educated, I do think everyone has to really think hard before not giving their child a measles jab for example.