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American politics

LutonSpurs said:
America's hate towards trans people is insane. And then we get people like JK Rowling and Linehan here inciting even more. Liberals are insanely illiberal when it suits them.
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Can you point me to anything JK Rowling has said that is anti trans. Because I have heard people say she is. But all I have ever seen is here wanting to protect women and women's spaces.

If you post a direct quote where she has been transphobic I will say fair enough she is. But I never seen it yet.
 
Grays_1890 said:
His summary of Aids in Africa is frankly a fcking disgrace, anyone listening to that level of ignorance should have stopped right there and questioning anything he spouts. But beyond that he has not uncovered the smoking gun he thinks he has.

These people are so far gone........

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The sad thing about all this is people are being wound up into a tizz, ultimately about their countries being humanitarian and the sad part is people are falling for it. As the leading nations in the world why is it such a bad thing that the US and UK give to those more in need than ourselves?
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The guy might be a lunatic and I agree his comments on AIDS in Africa were absolutely woeful, but he might also be correct that Chemonics received $17bn of US taxpayer money and stole/wasted 95% of it.
The trouble is, if governments are handing out billions of dollars or even millions of dollars, then companies will line up to receive that money and will cosy up to the decision makers and give backhanders to get a share of the pie.

Probably Trump/Musk will shut down a lot of these grifters and then pay themselves and their cronies even more money, so it won't stop.
 
Bullet said:
The guy might be a lunatic and I agree his comments on AIDS in Africa were absolutely woeful, but he might also be correct that Chemonics received $17bn of US taxpayer money and stole/wasted 95% of it.
The trouble is, if governments are handing out billions of dollars or even millions of dollars, then companies will line up to receive that money and will cosy up to the decision makers and give backhanders to get a share of the pie.

Probably Trump/Musk will shut down a lot of these grifters and then pay themselves and their cronies even more money, so it won't stop.
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Yeh I don't doubt corruption is likely there it happens anywhere there is money but I also don't doubt the stories of humanitarian workers in the field now left High and dry because fundings been cut.

Ultimately alot of this comes down to playing up to the rhetoric of "why are we helping them when we have issues here" more than it is about corruption IMO
 
Grays_1890 said:
Ultimately alot of this comes down to playing up to the rhetoric of "why are we helping them when we have issues here"
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You may be right and racism lingers right by the surface; but does it make me a bad person, that I can understand that point of view?

E.g. in a very extreme example, if the UK was helping India or China to launch a space rocket, or even if the UK is helping fight disease abroad (to be applauded) whilst cutting NHS budgets at home?

E.g. I went to Las Vegas a couple of years ago and I was shocked at how horrible it was, lots of homeless drug users lying on the pavements, hard to tell if they were still alive, crazy people shouting and causing a scene. Then I went to San Francisco, trip of a lifetime, oh wow that city is full of insane drug users shouting and screaming and tearing at themselves, after 3 days I'd seen an insane guy in a pharmacy threatening everyone and stealing, an insane guy walk into a Chinese clothing shop and try to buy a knife (seemingly he had forgotten he had a machete in his backpack) and a nutter in a park screaming at the moon, as well as rows and rows of tents.
Then down the coast through Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara, to Santa Monica LA and there are druggies staggering around, lying on the beach as though they are dead, tent cities of drug users, threatening people, screaming at people, Venice beach is full of nutters, dirty naked druggies on the beach lying completely still face down, are they dead? Just awful. San Diego too, huge tent cities of homeless drug users.
I won't go back to USA whilst it is like that. It was supposed to be the trip of a lifetime.
So I've gone on a rant, but I do agree that USA has huuuuuge problems and that is in the wealthiest parts of the nation, and before Trump/Musk ruin everything.
 
Bullet said:
You may be right and racism lingers right by the surface; but does it make me a bad person, that I can understand that point of view?

E.g. in a very extreme example, if the UK was helping India or China to launch a space rocket, or even if the UK is helping fight disease abroad (to be applauded) whilst cutting NHS budgets at home?

E.g. I went to Las Vegas a couple of years ago and I was shocked at how horrible it was, lots of homeless drug users lying on the pavements, hard to tell if they were still alive, crazy people shouting and causing a scene. Then I went to San Francisco, trip of a lifetime, oh wow that city is full of insane drug users shouting and screaming and tearing at themselves, after 3 days I'd seen an insane guy in a pharmacy threatening everyone and stealing, an insane guy walk into a Chinese clothing shop and try to buy a knife (seemingly he had forgotten he had a machete in his backpack) and a nutter in a park screaming at the moon, as well as rows and rows of tents.
Then down the coast through Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara, to Santa Monica LA and there are druggies staggering around, lying on the beach as though they are dead, tent cities of drug users, threatening people, screaming at people, Venice beach is full of nutters, dirty naked druggies on the beach lying completely still face down, are they dead? Just awful. San Diego too, huge tent cities of homeless drug users.
I won't go back to USA whilst it is like that. It was supposed to be the trip of a lifetime.
So I've gone on a rant, but I do agree that USA has huuuuuge problems and that is in the wealthiest parts of the nation, and before Trump/Musk ruin everything.
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I don't think it makes you a bad person at all.

My take is that the levels we see, say from the UK, which is given as aid to those in more need pays us back in spades in the grand scheme as it solidifies our position on the international stage.

I don't think there is a utopia on this all and there will be corruption and aid that makes the head scratch trying to find the rational, but I'm generally fine with nations helping lesser nations without believing its to the detriment of their own
 
Bullet said:
You may be right and racism lingers right by the surface; but does it make me a bad person, that I can understand that point of view?

E.g. in a very extreme example, if the UK was helping India or China to launch a space rocket, or even if the UK is helping fight disease abroad (to be applauded) whilst cutting NHS budgets at home?

E.g. I went to Las Vegas a couple of years ago and I was shocked at how horrible it was, lots of homeless drug users lying on the pavements, hard to tell if they were still alive, crazy people shouting and causing a scene. Then I went to San Francisco, trip of a lifetime, oh wow that city is full of insane drug users shouting and screaming and tearing at themselves, after 3 days I'd seen an insane guy in a pharmacy threatening everyone and stealing, an insane guy walk into a Chinese clothing shop and try to buy a knife (seemingly he had forgotten he had a machete in his backpack) and a nutter in a park screaming at the moon, as well as rows and rows of tents.
Then down the coast through Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara, to Santa Monica LA and there are druggies staggering around, lying on the beach as though they are dead, tent cities of drug users, threatening people, screaming at people, Venice beach is full of nutters, dirty naked druggies on the beach lying completely still face down, are they dead? Just awful. San Diego too, huge tent cities of homeless drug users.
I won't go back to USA whilst it is like that. It was supposed to be the trip of a lifetime.
So I've gone on a rant, but I do agree that USA has huuuuuge problems and that is in the wealthiest parts of the nation, and before Trump/Musk ruin everything.
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Fentanyl..... absolutely trashing 1000s of people.
 
markysimmo said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1889280981569273979
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Supported his education when he was 19 in 1990.

Can't really predict what he goes on to become decades later.

But sensationalised in the american equivalent of the daily mail. Who would have thunk it?


Would imagine these outreach programs have created more pro-american, educated internationals than not but hey no story in highlighting the good stories, just someone who was radicalised after this by non-USAID action by the pentagon and republican hawks.
 
Lost Mango said:
Supported his education when he was 19 in 1990.

Can't really predict what he goes on to become decades later.

But sensationalised in the american equivalent of the daily mail. Who would have thunk it?


Would imagine these outreach programs have created more pro-american, educated internationals than not but hey no story in highlighting the good stories, just someone who was radicalised after this by non-USAID action by the pentagon and republican hawks.
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Hahaha I laughed out loud when I read it.

You could manipulate this stuff anyway you wanted......"American Schooling System educated 448 Mass shooters in 2024".............

"British education system funded and educated 84% of the 69,000 rapists in the UK in 2024"
 
This also made me think of Trump:.


Sophia Magdalena Scholl[a] (9 May 1921 – 22 February 1943) was a German student and anti-Nazi political activist, active in the White Rose non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany.[1][2]

She was convicted of high treason after having been found distributing anti-war leaflets at the University of Munich with her brother, Hans. For her actions, she was executed by guillotine. Since the 1960s, she has been extensively commemorated for her anti-Nazi resistance
 
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