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American politics
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Why does he wear it in that stupid style then? And Ivanka, what's the attraction? I guess Donald is one of the those really funny guys, who seems to latch on to super models. Ha, ha.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
He also had a thing in the early days where he would not rent his properties to black people. And here is a nice quote from him about the same time “I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is. I believe that”. He campaigned on an anti-immigration argument. The list goes on.
Trump is exactly what he looks like, a bit of racist among other things but the people who voted for him didn't really care about that or any of his other faults. If Trump fudgeed a pig live on national TV (Black Mirror) he still would have got in. White Christian America is dying and they don't like it. Most of them are as poor as brick with no light visible at the end of the tunnel. Trump won the election with those votes because these people just needed something to change to get their old life back.
Also allegedly said he didn't want 'blacks' working for him as accountants, iirc - said the only people he trusted to 'count his money' were short guys who wore yarmulkes.
I'll be a bit fair to him and say that his father Fred didn't exactly set a great example - the whole 'don't rent to blacks' stuff came from him, as Woody Guthrie discovered in the 50's. He was also allegedly arrested at a KKK rally in his youth. So if there's anyone to blame for Donald turning out the way he did (apart from himself, of course), it's Fred Trump.
I don't think anyone can feasibly claim that Trump is a wholesome individual in any way, shape or form. But, as you accurately and eloquently pointed out, a part of America is dying and needed a voice to express their anguish. Problem is, even if you consider them irretrievable, their 'death' is going to be an extremely extended affair, and they will continue electing Trumps (or worse) as long as they're ignored on the basis of their desperation and relative lack of education.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
One of the hair stylists for some TV show or other said it looked like a home cut job, long hair cut in a straight line brushed straight back. She guessed one of his family does it. Home dyed too she thought. Why he doesn't get a pro makes little sense.
The amount of hairspray he uses is probably what caused the holes in the ozone layer.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Donald Trump says parts of the wall between Mexico and the US will actually be a fence - The Independent
https://apple.news/AarXS3VowRmG5kIjRAjioHQ
https://apple.news/AarXS3VowRmG5kIjRAjioHQ
He should ask China...
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Even Hadrian could do it.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
he was an immigrant, not sure Trump would employ him
Bullet
Colin Calderwood
I don't see what the big deal is about "The Mexican Wall"
The wall/fence has been being built for years, they just can't afford to finish it.
Max Pons, manager of the Nature Conservancy’s southernmost preserve, stands near the southern end of the border fence, near Brownsville, Texas on 17 September 2015. Photograph: Eric Gay/AP
Associated Press in Brownsville, Texas
Finishing the some 1,300 miles of fencing proposed in the state is daunting since most border land is privately owned and materials could cost $10bn
Close to the southern tip of Texas, a border wall suddenly ends. Its final post sits in a dry cornfield half a mile from the nearest bend in the Rio Grande river, the actual border with Mexico.
It would be easy to walk around it. Tires left by the border patrol rest nearby. Agents drag them behind trucks to smooth the cracked earth and check for footprints.
Unlike famous barriers such as the Berlin Wall or the Great Wall of China, the US version is not much of a wall. What stands in Texas is a fragmented series of fencing, composed of enormous steel bars embedded in concrete close together. The rust-colored thick bars that must reach a height of 18ft loom over the landscape, forming teeth-like slats that split farmland, slice through backyards, and sever parks and nature preserves.
There are miles of gaps between segments and openings in the fence itself. As a result of the Secure Fence Act passed in 2006, the government built some 650 miles of wall along the 1,954-mile US-Mexico boundary. While 1,254 miles of that border is in Texas, the state has only some 100 miles of wall.
Republican presidential candidates insist they will finish it. But completing the Texas part of the wall would be a daunting task, thanks to the border’s sheer length, the fact that it sits in the center of the snaking Rio Grande, and because treaties with Mexico prevent either country from constructing within the river’s flood plains. And unlike in other south-western states, most border land in Texas is privately owned.
Finishing the some 1,300 miles of border fencing would also be costly. According to a 2009 government accountability report, pedestrian fencing, meant to keep out smugglers and migrants crossing on foot, has run anywhere from $400,000 to $15.1m per mile, averaging $3.9m.
More recent construction has been even more expensive, with segments constructed in 2008 costing $6.5m per mile. If kept at this rate, the wall would cost nearly $10bn to complete just for materials, and challenging geography could bring it much higher.
“With every twist and turn of the Rio Grande and every steep terrain in Arizona, it would cost easily that much,” said Adam Isacson, a border expert for the Washington Office on Latin America.
Officials overseeing the wall’s construction faced a legal and logistical nightmare from the start, according to emails obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and litigation by Denise Gilman, a law professor at the University of Texas. The hundreds of emails, which Gilman shared with the Associated Press, show that from the planning phase some 65 miles of the proposed route sat a half mile to a mile from the border, making it not a true border wall.
Officials struggled to find places where construction could start fast to meet Congress’ deadline of building 255 miles by December 2008. They sought contingency fencing that did not require “significant real estate acquisitions” or cut through sensitive wilderness, the emails show. Wealthy landowners demanded more compensation or refused to allow construction.
Hundreds of property owners were sued just to build the existing chunks of wall. Some 400 relinquished properties ranging in size from a driveway to commercial lots and farms, costing the government at least $15m, according to an AP review of land cases in 2012.
Among them was Eloisa Tamez, who refused to cede her three acres in San Benito, land that had been in her family for generations. A federal judge ruled in the government’s favor, and Tamez was compensated $56,000, with which she funded a scholarship at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, where she works as a professor.
“It might be just a little piece of land,” she said. “But to me it meant my life.”
The Rio Grande Valley is home to 54 miles of wall, and the official name of the border barrier there is Pedestrian Fence 255. The area is the major crossing point for tens of thousands of families and unaccompanied children, many fleeing gang violence in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.
The surge that began last year resumed in recent months, and Governor Greg Abbott extended the Texas National Guard border patrol deployment in response to more than 10,000 unaccompanied children crossing into the US in October and November.
Some residents have found themselves cut off by the wall.
Pamela Taylor, who lives near Brownsville, originally fought the wall’s construction. Now her Texas home sits behind the wall on the side facing Mexico.
She still leaves coolers of water for thirsty migrants, though she wishes more of them would come to the United States legally, the way she emigrated from England.
The wall “doesn’t do any good. It’s a waste of money”, she said. But she’s gotten used to it.
Some locals say it’s better than nothing.
Othal E Brand Jr, the president of the Hidalgo County Water District 3, which supplies water to the McAllen area, pointed out where the fence separated a 20-acre reservoir from two pumping stations, which sit behind it along a bend in the Rio Grande. Brand said this land, adjacent to a wilderness reserve, was for years overrun by night-time crossers and that smugglers threatened and even shot at his employees.
“The wall is only part of the solution,” he said, “but it’s an important part.”
The wall/fence has been being built for years, they just can't afford to finish it.
Max Pons, manager of the Nature Conservancy’s southernmost preserve, stands near the southern end of the border fence, near Brownsville, Texas on 17 September 2015. Photograph: Eric Gay/AP
Associated Press in Brownsville, Texas
Finishing the some 1,300 miles of fencing proposed in the state is daunting since most border land is privately owned and materials could cost $10bn
Close to the southern tip of Texas, a border wall suddenly ends. Its final post sits in a dry cornfield half a mile from the nearest bend in the Rio Grande river, the actual border with Mexico.
It would be easy to walk around it. Tires left by the border patrol rest nearby. Agents drag them behind trucks to smooth the cracked earth and check for footprints.
Unlike famous barriers such as the Berlin Wall or the Great Wall of China, the US version is not much of a wall. What stands in Texas is a fragmented series of fencing, composed of enormous steel bars embedded in concrete close together. The rust-colored thick bars that must reach a height of 18ft loom over the landscape, forming teeth-like slats that split farmland, slice through backyards, and sever parks and nature preserves.
There are miles of gaps between segments and openings in the fence itself. As a result of the Secure Fence Act passed in 2006, the government built some 650 miles of wall along the 1,954-mile US-Mexico boundary. While 1,254 miles of that border is in Texas, the state has only some 100 miles of wall.
Republican presidential candidates insist they will finish it. But completing the Texas part of the wall would be a daunting task, thanks to the border’s sheer length, the fact that it sits in the center of the snaking Rio Grande, and because treaties with Mexico prevent either country from constructing within the river’s flood plains. And unlike in other south-western states, most border land in Texas is privately owned.
Finishing the some 1,300 miles of border fencing would also be costly. According to a 2009 government accountability report, pedestrian fencing, meant to keep out smugglers and migrants crossing on foot, has run anywhere from $400,000 to $15.1m per mile, averaging $3.9m.
More recent construction has been even more expensive, with segments constructed in 2008 costing $6.5m per mile. If kept at this rate, the wall would cost nearly $10bn to complete just for materials, and challenging geography could bring it much higher.
“With every twist and turn of the Rio Grande and every steep terrain in Arizona, it would cost easily that much,” said Adam Isacson, a border expert for the Washington Office on Latin America.
Officials overseeing the wall’s construction faced a legal and logistical nightmare from the start, according to emails obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and litigation by Denise Gilman, a law professor at the University of Texas. The hundreds of emails, which Gilman shared with the Associated Press, show that from the planning phase some 65 miles of the proposed route sat a half mile to a mile from the border, making it not a true border wall.
Officials struggled to find places where construction could start fast to meet Congress’ deadline of building 255 miles by December 2008. They sought contingency fencing that did not require “significant real estate acquisitions” or cut through sensitive wilderness, the emails show. Wealthy landowners demanded more compensation or refused to allow construction.
Hundreds of property owners were sued just to build the existing chunks of wall. Some 400 relinquished properties ranging in size from a driveway to commercial lots and farms, costing the government at least $15m, according to an AP review of land cases in 2012.
Among them was Eloisa Tamez, who refused to cede her three acres in San Benito, land that had been in her family for generations. A federal judge ruled in the government’s favor, and Tamez was compensated $56,000, with which she funded a scholarship at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, where she works as a professor.
“It might be just a little piece of land,” she said. “But to me it meant my life.”
The Rio Grande Valley is home to 54 miles of wall, and the official name of the border barrier there is Pedestrian Fence 255. The area is the major crossing point for tens of thousands of families and unaccompanied children, many fleeing gang violence in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.
The surge that began last year resumed in recent months, and Governor Greg Abbott extended the Texas National Guard border patrol deployment in response to more than 10,000 unaccompanied children crossing into the US in October and November.
Some residents have found themselves cut off by the wall.
Pamela Taylor, who lives near Brownsville, originally fought the wall’s construction. Now her Texas home sits behind the wall on the side facing Mexico.
She still leaves coolers of water for thirsty migrants, though she wishes more of them would come to the United States legally, the way she emigrated from England.
The wall “doesn’t do any good. It’s a waste of money”, she said. But she’s gotten used to it.
Some locals say it’s better than nothing.
Othal E Brand Jr, the president of the Hidalgo County Water District 3, which supplies water to the McAllen area, pointed out where the fence separated a 20-acre reservoir from two pumping stations, which sit behind it along a bend in the Rio Grande. Brand said this land, adjacent to a wilderness reserve, was for years overrun by night-time crossers and that smugglers threatened and even shot at his employees.
“The wall is only part of the solution,” he said, “but it’s an important part.”
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
I see the hair police are out in force.
WHY Parklane, have you got a dodgy Barnet too?
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Mr_B
Niko Kranjcar
so I am exiled in california and everyone I know here is distraught about the election ( i voted libertarian as a "protest vote"). Trump has been almost diplomatic since the vote in his acceptance speech and his meeting with Obama which is worth noting, what concerns me more is his mates who will form part of his "cabinet". Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, Jeff Sessions, even VP Pence, all old school republicans who will set this country back years with outdated views and ideas,
maybe this will create more of a backlash than mere protesting on the streets, shocks create change in many ways, I'm ready whatever happens
maybe this will create more of a backlash than mere protesting on the streets, shocks create change in many ways, I'm ready whatever happens
milo
Jack L. Jones
This is worth reading
https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class
https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class
Interesting read, thanks.
I'm always astounded at how different the attitudes and motivations are between US & UK working classes