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American politics
- Thread starter Danishfurniturelover
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It's still early enough for both to disappear into obscurity.
How about Bernie?! He was 50 points down on Clinton in Iowa when they started the campaign. Yesterday, he was just 0.4% away from her.
If he wins the next one, he'll have even more momentum behind him, and the wavering democrats might think that he can actually win and give him their vote.
The longer it goes, I think the more people will dislike Clinton.
If he wins the next one, he'll have even more momentum behind him, and the wavering democrats might think that he can actually win and give him their vote.
The longer it goes, I think the more people will dislike Clinton.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
It has already started. The third Democrat wheel has dropped out, as has Mike Huckerbee for the Republicans.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Nobel peace prize for him?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/how-to-get-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize.html?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/how-to-get-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize.html?
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
milo
Jack L. Jones
He'll get trounced if he wins the nomination
I can imagine most 'Murricans would prefer a mental to a socialist
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that you are right. I think that his age will count against him too.
VermontSpur
Steven Pienaar
Exactly this. "Nobody will vote for a socialist" (which he's not; a Democratic Socialist is a different animal entirely) and "he's too old" are just facile arguments to discredit the only genuine candidate in the field. I've also heard that "Bernie doesn't have the experience of other candidates." flimflam. He's been a Mayor (8 years), Congressman (16 year), and Senator (8 years) for over 30 years; longer than any other candidate in the field. He also has the highest constituent approval rating of ANY US Senator, which is noteworthy because he comes from a state that, despite its reputation, was long a stronghold for Republicans. (Disclaimer: I happen to have grown up in Vermont, am familiar with Bernie, and have met the man on a couple occasions.)
Quite simply, Bernie Sanders is head and shoulders above candidates on either side of the party line, and there should be no qualms, aside from those on Wall Street and the super-rich, about his ability to lead the USA. My only fear is that if the Dems don't re-take majority, it will be difficult for him to effect the real, tangible change he desires, outside of using executive orders.
We are defined by our actions, not how we describe ourselves. Otherwise Captain Bellend would be the best manager in the world and rSol the most honest footballer.
He associates with socialists, he eulogises socialists and he presents socialist policies. He can call himself Sarah Palin if he likes, it doesn't change what he is.
milo
Jack L. Jones
@VermontSpur @scaramanga - it's irrelevant whether he is or isn't a socialist. It is how the Republicans will portray him, media assault will be brutal and it will register with (scare) enough voters to mean that he could never win.
The thing is, Obama was labelled a socialist (amongst many other things) and it didn't scare people off. I think the Republican abuse of Obama over the years means that not enough people are going to be taken in by the hyperbole, should Bernie actually win the nomination. And he currently polls very well against Trump, who is still the Republican front runner. Calling Obama and ObamaCare socialism, as the Republicans have continually done, has really made the word -- or the idea of socialism -- a more positive thing for many Americans. For those that it still scares, they would be voting Republican anyway.
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milo
Jack L. Jones
It will be a different scale. Obama was only labelled a socialist by the loonies and the tea party (same thing?) and certainly never spoke about himself on those terms. Certainly there have been Republican attacks on Obama's programme (particularly during his second term) but that is par for the course for Democrat presidents.
Sanders would be a liability if he won the nomination and I think that he would lose to any of the Republican nominees who stand a chance of running for office. I would agree that Clinton divides opinion and is not a popular politician but I think that she would be a strong favourite against any of her possible opponents.
The point is that the word 'socialism' isn't the turn off for many Americans that it once was. Obamacare = socialism has been rammed down peoples throats, but many Americans are benefiting from it. Medicare is another example. These things are hated by the loons on the right, and none of them will be voting democrat anyway, but many people like them and have a positive view of this perceived socialism.
A lot will depend on who wins for the Republicans, but if Trump comes through, then his attacks would be seen as pure hyperbole because that is all he does. And it's probably why Sanders polls so well against him (see my earlier link).
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that would change through the heat of an election campaign. The Republicans will run a very negative campaign whoever they are up against but I think that it has more chance of resonating with the voters if the Democratic candidate is Sanders.
Mr_B
Niko Kranjcar
If I could like saint and greavsie meeting trump 10x I would.
Couple of things, Americans don't understand what socialism means but if you call someone here a socialist, you might as well call them a Nazi as well, its against what it is to be an American I am very reliably informed.
Millenials who form the base of Bernie's support don't have that way of thinking, what's wrong in getting the top 1% of the country to pay higher taxes so health costs and college are affordable for the other 99%. If Bernie manages to persuade americans its ok to not leave everything up to market forces, we're in for a fun 4 years.