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30 dead in France terror attacks in Nice + Talk Turkey here!

I know it may sound very simplistic but as it appear Islam states in the middle east don't wish to have western culture and influence in their countries why don't we just withdraw from them and let them live the way they want?
 
the dza said:
One thing is for sure, it's things like this that make me glad I don't have Facebook, Twitter etc. Arguing with you lot is one thing, but I can't be doing with people posting horrible sh1t purely for attention. At least this forum is moderated and we have the Spurs connection between us.

I totally agree with those who say that the coverage of these ar5eholes is a big part of the problem. I don't want us to trivialise the deaths of the victims, but I don't want the actions of these horrible people to be so hyped up either. "We're all still going to carry on as normal, you phucking d1ckheads" should be the message we send to them. Their pathetic actions change nothing, all they do is create tragedy for innocent people.

We're one incident likes this, on US soil, away from a Trump presidency imo. And then I have no idea what happens next.
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I know what you mean.

It certainly wasn't in that language, but the commissaire of the Tour de France made a very noble, genuine and pitch-perfect speech today (he just spoke, no cue card or notes) basically saying just that.

Look it up if you get the chance. Very statesmanlike I thought.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I know it may sound very simplistic but as it appear Islam states in the middle east don't wish to have western culture and influence in their countries why don't we just withdraw from them and let them live the way they want?
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We're only in Afghanistan and that's as part of NATO so we don't have a choice.
 
scaramanga said:
Firstly I disagree with your initial point - we're not being attacked because we attacked them, we're being attacked because they're Godtards.

Many of them are from countries we've never attacked or even our own. They see some vague link with those people because they're all mentally subnormal enough to worship the same paedo.

In terms of the quoted above, what is their oxygen and how do you cut it off?

Far better, I think, to remove the fuel.
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I completely agree Scara but there unfortunately seems to be no such solution. Any time they've found the rule of Islam under threat, be it from the British Empire, the Soviet Union or the Americans they have rose up and haven't stopped fighting till the invader has left with their tale behind their legs.

Almost seems like we just have to accept that these sorts of attacks will happen and in the meantime try to catch people out to minimise the damages.
 
Craig_J said:
I completely agree Scara but there unfortunately seems to be no such solution. Any time they've found the rule of Islam under threat, be it from the British Empire, the Soviet Union or the Americans they have rose up and haven't stopped fighting till the invader has left with their tale behind their legs.

Almost seems like we just have to accept that these sorts of attacks will happen and in the meantime try to catch people out to minimise the damages.
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You're right that the attacks will continue/increase whilst we try to fix the problem, but the answer is simple - remove religion from this planet.

There is literally no downside to doing this.
 
Roy1983 said:
brick going down in Turkey now. This world is seriously fudgeed.
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Trying to overthrow the government, hmmm I do not think this will end well, I did not really pay that much attention to the arab spring. Anyone on here tell me if that has had any effect on the region?
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Trying to overthrow the government, hmmm I do not think this will end well, I did not really pay that much attention to the arab spring. Anyone on here tell me if that has had any effect on the region?
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To simplify it as much as I can:

Erdogan = Godtard
Army = Secular

Whilst Erdogan was elected, he's since been trying to push through powers that essentially make him impossible to unelect. He's shredded the judiciary and the free press on the basis that it doesn't agree with him and is a disgusting anti-Semite. He's all but a dictator now and is dragging the country back to the stone age.

Had the coup succeeded with little or no bloodshed it would have been just about the best thing that could have happened to Turkey.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I know it may sound very simplistic but as it appear Islam states in the middle east don't wish to have western culture and influence in their countries why don't we just withdraw from them and let them live the way they want?
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Damage has been done so it wouldn't matter now in my mind.

Despite the horrors that occurred before the West got involved in a bigger way we should have left the dictators in place, as we had for years before, and left them to their own devices. West always had their preferred choices of dictators and collaborated with them or against if a new face was needed.

But no, some idiot decided to help overthrow (or attempt to) them and try to bring democracy to the ME - a place that, in the main, does not want nor can accept how democracy works and never will. Now the guns and hatred that were being directed at the dictatorships (who were keeping a lot of this brick in check) are being aimed squarely at us.

We created Frankenstein's monster and now we're getting it's ire.
 
scaramanga said:
To simplify it as much as I can:

Erdogan = Godtard
Army = Secular

Whilst Erdogan was elected, he's since been trying to push through powers that essentially make him impossible to unelect. He's shredded the judiciary and the free press on the basis that it doesn't agree with him and is a disgusting anti-Semite. He's all but a dictator now and is dragging the country back to the stone age.

Had the coup succeeded with little or no bloodshed it would have been just about the best thing that could have happened to Turkey.
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Not to mention his dealings with and clandestine support of Daesh. I have friends and family in Istanbul, there are murmurings that Erdogan staged the 'coup' himself in order to gain more control.

However Turkey has a history since Ataturk of the military staging coups when religion has tried to overtake secularism and democracy within the government.


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scaramanga said:
To simplify it as much as I can:

Erdogan = Godtard
Army = Secular

Whilst Erdogan was elected, he's since been trying to push through powers that essentially make him impossible to unelect. He's shredded the judiciary and the free press on the basis that it doesn't agree with him and is a disgusting anti-Semite. He's all but a dictator now and is dragging the country back to the stone age.

Had the coup succeeded with little or no bloodshed it would have been just about the best thing that could have happened to Turkey.
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The Gulen organisation behind the attempted coup (or at least that has been blamed by Erdogan) is still a religious - Islamic - movement, rather than secular. But supposedly a less hard-line version of Islam.
Whilst Turkey's government is officially secular, there is no doubt that Erdogan has been trying to bring the State closer to Islam. Whether the failure of the coup now makes Erdogan's position stronger, or whether the political landscape in Turkey will become even more volatile, remains to be seen. There are so many different factions - State, Gulen, ISIS, PKK - that increased volatility seems inevitable.
 
Trixster said:
Damage has been done so it wouldn't matter now in my mind.

Despite the horrors that occurred before the West got involved in a bigger way we should have left the dictators in place, as we had for years before, and left them to their own devices. West always had their preferred choices of dictators and collaborated with them or against if a new face was needed.

But no, some idiot decided to help overthrow (or attempt to) them and try to bring democracy to the ME - a place that, in the main, does not want nor can accept how democracy works and never will. Now the guns and hatred that were being directed at the dictatorships (who were keeping a lot of this brick in check) are being aimed squarely at us.

We created Frankenstein's monster and now we're getting it's ire.
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And do not forget the wealth they were after.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Trying to overthrow the government, hmmm I do not think this will end well, I did not really pay that much attention to the arab spring. Anyone on here tell me if that has had any effect on the region?
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The Square is a really interesting documentary about the Egypt uprising

Winter on Fire about the Ukraine is also worth watching .

Neither are easy to watch
 
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