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2022 World Cup... gonna ruin the European Season

Gutter Boy said:
Cultural often leads the social and political. Rock against racism in the 70s etc.
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This whole rhetoric that footballers are somehow exempt from responsibility to society because we have allowed them to be, because we have cheered on drunks, wife beaters, murderers, rapists all because they score a few goals. It a laughable view TBH.
 
Lilbaz said:
You are talking a religion. They believe that GHod thinks homosexuality is a sin. We're asking footballers to go to their country and tell them their religious beliefs are wrong. That their GHod is wrong. Don't think they'd take that well.

We already have a badge that represents our values, beliefs and mistakes. It has 3 lions on it.
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Sexuality and who you love is not a belief though, its a right, as much as being born and being allowed to live is a right so there is a HUGE difference between religious belief and what is a basic human right. Not sure how hard that is for people to work out anymore. Bigotry is bigotry regardless

Their head of World Cup relations called being homosexual an illness of the mind, thats not a religious belief, thats hate, regardless of what banner you want to put it under.
 
Lilbaz said:
What balls have you shown?
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I'll answer that too:

- Went of Section 28 marches (was unusual for a young straight man at that time)
- Boycott the (homophobic) Blood Service
- Conscientiously object to engaging with the (racist) Prevent programme and other Home Office hostile environment initiatives
- Actively call out any discriminatory behaviour I witness, in any environment

They are little things, but they aren't difficult
 
Grays_1890 said:
Sexuality and who you love is not a belief though, its a right, as much as being born and being allowed to live is a right so there is a HUGE difference between religious belief and what is a basic human right. Not sure how hard that is for people to work out anymore. Bigotry is bigotry regardless

Their head of World Cup relations called being homosexual an illness of the mind, thats not a religious belief, thats hate, regardless of what banner you want to put it under.
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No. You believe that human rights are more important than religious beliefs (i agree). They believe that gods laws are more important than humans. Whether we understand them or not.
 
Lilbaz said:
You are talking a religion. They believe that GHod thinks homosexuality is a sin. We're asking footballers to go to their country and tell them their religious beliefs are wrong. That their GHod is wrong. Don't think they'd take that well.

We already have a badge that represents our values, beliefs and mistakes. It has 3 lions on it.
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Christianity's doctrine is similar. But societies evolved and it had to adapt (see the schism between the CoE and other parts of Anglicanism).

Homophobia is the same as racism or gender-based oppression. Appeasing the Qatari regime is the same as appeasing the Nazis.

In Turkey homosexuality was legalised in 1858, while Turkey and Albania are moving towards allowing same sex marriage. Jordan and Iraq are moving in positive directions too. It's not a religion thing, it's about states and human rights.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Christianity's doctrine is similar. But societies evolved and it had to adapt (see the schism between the CoE and other parts of Anglicanism).

Homophobia is the same as racism or gender-based oppression. Appeasing the Qatari regime is the same as appeasing the Nazis.

In Turkey homosexuality was legalised in 1858, while Turkey and Albania are moving towards allowing same sex marriage. Jordan and Iraq are moving in positive directions too. It's not a religion thing, it's about states and human rights.
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Exactly, if it was a religious thing why do they have selective belief when it comes to issues such as booze?

It's a cop out, akin to saying "bigotry isn't right unless you do it under a religious banner and then you have to respect it". Fcuk me that's a sad view to have
 
Grays_1890 said:
Wow, just wow

The reason England are mentioned highly is because, in most, this forum has a high portion of English posters and if any are like myself, they look to their own nation to hopefully lead the way with what is a a huge human issue. But that aside we can still applaud other nations for taking a stand for other issues that are important to them, why it would provoke such an angry reaction from yourself I have no idea.
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It’s fine. I think we have got to the root of the double standards.
Please do not subset me in with your expectation of heightened standards because I am English. I’m just a normal human being who thinks we are all born equal, no better, no worse.

And understand I don’t think that validates your reason on hating on those who value our society just because you think you know better.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Christianity's doctrine is similar. But societies evolved and it had to adapt (see the schism between the CoE and other parts of Anglicanism).

Homophobia is the same as racism or gender-based oppression. Appeasing the Qatari regime is the same as appeasing the Nazis.

In Turkey homosexuality was legalised in 1858, while Turkey and Albania are moving towards allowing same sex marriage. Jordan and Iraq are moving in positive directions too. It's not a religion thing, it's about states and human rights.
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Which is great. Those countries aren't under sharia law. Hopefully more follow. But qatar is. To say sharia is not a religious thing is wrong.
 
johnola said:
It’s fine. I think we have got to the root of the double standards.
Please do not subset me in with your expectation of heightened standards because I am English. I’m just a normal human being who thinks we are all born equal, no better, no worse.

And understand I don’t think that validates your reason on hating on those who value our society just because you think you know better.
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I think I know better? Alright then

Something has clearly rattled you with all this which is a reflection of you not me pal so I will let you crack on
 
Grays_1890 said:
And seeing as we are of the same view, I will add, that people keep mentioning about it not being the players fault and it shouldn't be on th3 players to set, but I think that's a cop out because oppression of homosexuality is a human issue and we all have that in common, regardless of these being a World Cup or not the likes of Kane and Southgate shouldn't feel pressured into saying something, as human beings, they should want to. This world Cup being in Qatar should by human nature alone make people feel uncomfortable and act for their fellow man. Its likely everyone participating has a gay friend, relative or colleague, they should as humans show solidarity for them and the daily struggle they have.
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Rather than pick on an individual wouldnt it be better to aim the rage at the FA for going to the tournament? That would have made a bigger statement than one man and neither Owen or Vessel were likely to be banned from competing.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Rather than pick on an individual wouldnt it be better to aim the rage at the FA for going to the tournament? That would have made a bigger statement than one man and neither Owen or Vessel were likely to be banned from competing.
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Its not rage its disappointment TBH, but at the end of the day neither did anything and unlikely to do. Maybe its a romantic notion but I hold the hope someone does something to make the stand and that moment will create waves, thats whats needed.

Anyway as this was apparently meant to be an OMT and I have ranted enough on the topic I don't want to take away from those who want to dicsuss the actual football.

Im out, peace and love to all
 
Joe Rodon really is a strange one. Not deemed good enough for even a bench-filler at Tottenham, but here he is starting at the World Cup. What do Wales see in him that Conte does not
 
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