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  1. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    Okay suppose a 19 year old player has some one lay an accusation on them. It took around 4 years for the Party allegations to become a formal charge. It may not have become a formal charge. The police could find some new evidence that completely exonerates the individual. They’d be 23 having not...
  2. SpurMeUp

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Probably more nuanced than that. Women are also attracted to wealth and people they think can provide. Add in the fame and adulation and people who wouldn’t get a second glance from an attractive women are suddenly a catch. No doubt there are those players who abuse this status. These young guys...
  3. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    No. You said if there was an accusation, you’d suspend regardless. You choose to believe the accuser (not necessarily a victim) and I choose to be as fair and neutral as possible while evidence is collected and evaluated.
  4. SpurMeUp

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    You said that being a footballer or being involved in football makes abuse of women more likely. No facts. Just pre judgement. Another word for pre-judgment - prejudice.
  5. SpurMeUp

    Putin & Russia

    I’d wager that Chinas belt and road is less damaging than the IMFs decades of work. Idk for sure but having looked at case studies on the IMFs work keeping developing nations under the yoke, it can’t be much worse! As for China wanting a base on Fiji I should imagine it wouldn’t be bothered...
  6. SpurMeUp

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Gosh! How do we possibly know whether Party is guilty or not? You’re forming opinions on a hunch. You’ve not heard Party’s side of the story story. And you probably do t have all the details of the allegations either. But why let that stop us forming a judgment!
  7. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    It is black and white isn’t it. You either believe in innocent until proven guilty or you don’t. What we need is a justice system that acts far quicker on these kinds of cases. Venkatesham shouldn’t be blamed for the CPS’ underfunding or incompetence.
  8. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    Wow. You’d end careers on the basis of any accusation. That is mad. Anyone wishing to cause you harm could write a letter and end your career. How is that workable?
  9. SpurMeUp

    Putin & Russia

    China should just be submissive? Know its place? Doff its cap to the US and establish hegemony. If you look at facts: it isn’t engaged in any wars. It spends money on economic aid investing in developing nations. While the US is responsible for fuelling wars all over the planet. Are you...
  10. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    Fair enough. My issue is with the CPS not our CEO. It puts clubs, player and victims in an impossible situation if the authorities wait 3 years to act or take no further action. In a theoretical case, imagine you put Bergvall on suspension and then the judge threw out the case on the first day...
  11. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    Isn’t that consistent with Venkatesham actions too.
  12. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    What are the accusations? Emirates Marketing Project did it with Mendy didn't they and Everton with Siggurdson. For 2 reasons mainly 1) it's the right thing to do 2) the reputational damage from not doing so would be huge. You’re affectively asking society to replace the institutions you...
  13. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    So what are you suggesting? In lieu of the authorities acting you’d want the club to interview victims?
  14. SpurMeUp

    Putin & Russia

    @Craig_J why get bogged down in left vs right? Personally I’d extricate yourself from these base human instincts to seek and defend an in group. Make a judgment simply on the facts, not someone else’s doctrine. In this instance it’s a simple counting exercise: who are China at war with? And...
  15. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    So you draw the line at social media? If an accusation is made on SM then that is the barometer you use to take action. What if the player denies it? You then disregard all accusations. Doesn’t seem workable. You’re essentially asking companies to act like a police force interviewing people, a...
  16. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    A company is not in control of the CPS. That it takes so many years to get justice is the issue here. What about victims who have to wait so long to get closure? This is the issue for me. If you are suggesting we should ban players based on accusations, how would you stop rival fans writing a...
  17. SpurMeUp

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    How does that work? Could you get a Goon player banned for example just by writing a letter saying they’d abused you? Where is the line drawn and by whom with what detail?
  18. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    Okay let’s try a thought experiment. Tomorrow someone issues an accusation against any of our players. Let’s say it is Lucas Bergvall. You would simply suspend him and wait the 3+ years for the CPS to check and build their case, would you? And the further time it would take to go to court? What...
  19. SpurMeUp

    The Goon Thread

    I get this and agree. But I also wouldn’t want to be to derail your life and career simply by accusing you of something. How would that work? You’re asking a football club to be a judge and jury. Before any accusations have been checked or a conviction planned. You could ruin a career simply by...
  20. SpurMeUp

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Imagine I accused you of rape. That is it, you're automatiaclly suspended from your work. With your boss automatically cupable and in the firing line - just because I accused you. Yeah that sounds workable! :D
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