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Silly McSilly Face said:
Guy had a knife he refused to drop. They aren't going overboard. They have a tazer, batons and spray against a knife and maybe more on his person its a really dangerous situation for them so they need to get him properly incapacitated
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It's being said they thought he might have been wearing an explosive vest. In which case violently kicking someone not just in the head but to the body as well seems to my untrained eye just a tad dangerous if he were indeed wearing such a vest.
I totally appreciate the high pressure situation they were in and the need to prevent any further harm to life, and by all accounts they were acting in accordance with their training, but to my (again, untrained) eye, the policeman doing most of the kicking looked totally out of control.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
It's being said they thought he might have been wearing an explosive vest. In which case violently kicking someone not just in the head but to the body as well seems to my untrained eye just a tad dangerous if he were indeed wearing such a vest.
I totally appreciate the high pressure situation they were in and the need to prevent any further harm to life, and by all accounts they were acting in accordance with their training, but to my (again, untrained) eye, the policeman doing most of the kicking looked totally out of control.
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Again the footage is clear, he is face down with a taser chucking brick into his body, once the first copper is on his back its game over, deciding to stand up and kick him in the head with the other copper who arrives on the scene just looks like serving up their own kind of justice, which is not their job.

I get why SillyGBT and others might be salivating at video of his head being kicked in, given their stance on here over the years, it doesn't shock me
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Zack Polanski’s criticism of Golders Green attack arrest will have ‘chilling effect’, says Met chief | UK news | The Guardian https://share.google/yzNiG3AiCs1qkotEu

This is the thing about people like him and Corbyn. More focused on the rights and safety of terrorists and other dangerous nutjobs than on the people they are tryimg to hurt.
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Human rights. It was refreshing to hear someone stand up for them for once, the way they've been being stripped away the past few decades. No one should be able to keep volleying an unconscious person in the head and get away with it. It was done with anger, their training was out the window. Courts give out justice, not roided-up coppers
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
It's being said they thought he might have been wearing an explosive vest. In which case violently kicking someone not just in the head but to the body as well seems to my untrained eye just a tad dangerous if he were indeed wearing such a vest.
I totally appreciate the high pressure situation they were in and the need to prevent any further harm to life, and by all accounts they were acting in accordance with their training, but to my (again, untrained) eye, the policeman doing most of the kicking looked totally out of control.
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But this is the thing. Untrained, never been in such a situation. No idea if what they are doing is protocol or not - yet shares the criticism on a public platform anyway. How dare you act so aggressively towards a nutjob stabbing people. Defund the police.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Human rights. It was refreshing to hear someone stand up for them for once, the way they've been being stripped away the past few decades. No one should be able to keep volleying an unconscious person in the head and get away with it. It was done with anger, their training was out the window. Courts give out justice, not roided-up coppers
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He wasn't unconscious. He was refusing to release the knife so the protocol is essentially to force compliance by any means necessary at that stage. British transport police officer confronting knife attackers in terror attacks in London a few years ago smashed one of them in the head with his baton and stated he was attempting to knock him out. I suppose that officer should be hauled over the coals as well for breaching his human rights.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
But this is the thing. Untrained, never been in such a situation. No idea if what they are doing is protocol or not - yet shares the criticism on a public platform anyway. How dare you act so aggressively towards a nutjob stabbing people. Defund the police.
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We've all lived through Hillsborough, Orgreave, Battle of the Beanfield. There's always an element of the police that actively relish using excessive violence, and that absolutely needs to be kept in check. It's part of the reason they are now forced to wear body cameras - to protect the public from their propensity towards violence.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
He wasn't unconscious. He was refusing to release the knife so the protocol is essentially to force compliance by any means necessary at that stage. British transport police officer confronting knife attackers in terror attacks in London a few years ago smashed one of them in the head with his baton and stated he was attempting to knock him out. I suppose that officer should be hauled over the coals as well for breaching his human rights.
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He'd been tasered. That was sufficient non-lethal violence. You don't then try adding a bit or potentially-lethal (or brain damaging) violence, just for kicks.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
But this is the thing. Untrained, never been in such a situation. No idea if what they are doing is protocol or not - yet shares the criticism on a public platform anyway. How dare you act so aggressively towards a nutjob stabbing people. Defund the police.
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Yes, if I only I were blessed with having had the wide experience of practically every job going that you do, then I would not need to caveat my comments by being clear that I am speaking without that experience or that the police were seemingly acting within the bounds of their training.
However if I see a member of the police force repeatedly kicking someone in the head, for whatever reason, and seemingly out of control, then it is worthy of comment. I mean it's not as if the police aren't known for dishing it out.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Yes, if I only I were blessed with having had the wide experience of practically every job going that you do, then I would not need to caveat my comments by being clear that I am speaking without that experience or that the police were seemingly acting within the bounds of their training.
However if I see a member of the police force repeatedly kicking someone in the head, for whatever reason, and seemingly out of control, then it is worthy of comment. I mean it's not as if the police aren't known for dishing it out.
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Its like you are not allowed to hold the police to a higher standard, its literally the job (in Roy Keane voice)
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Zack Polanski’s criticism of Golders Green attack arrest will have ‘chilling effect’, says Met chief | UK news | The Guardian https://share.google/yzNiG3AiCs1qkotEu

This is the thing about people like him and Corbyn. More focused on the rights and safety of terrorists and other dangerous nutjobs than on the people they are tryimg to hurt.
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I think everything should be looked at, BUT there is a time and a place.

What I want to know is, who was the dude in the green outfit, was he just a member of the public getting involved?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
He wasn't unconscious. He was refusing to release the knife so the protocol is essentially to force compliance by any means necessary at that stage. British transport police officer confronting knife attackers in terror attacks in London a few years ago smashed one of them in the head with his baton and stated he was attempting to knock him out. I suppose that officer should be hauled over the coals as well for breaching his human rights.
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Had that person he hit with a baton been tasered.

Having not been tasered before I don't have the knowledge of how incapacitated you are once shot?
You've probably been 'Taserman' at some point in your life so perhaps you can educate us.
Interestingly the man in the green, who appeared to have no defensive weapons, was happy to jump on the attacker with the singular aim to isolate his arm to remove the knife from his hand.
 
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