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Ralph Coates
...and this is also a great point.
Modern football big money = sport washing clams.
There used to be a game over there...
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...and this is also a great point.
Modern football big money = sport washing clams.
There used to be a game over there...
Jurgen the German
George Hunt
I don’t need to be careful. I don’t care if a Saudi businessman buys us. As long as they/we don’t break any rules along the way. Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have owners who want to win more than making a profit and haven’t asset stripped.
Gazza
Paul Robinson
Not the only alternative. Some are sports fans/ people that have made it. Not many but an alternative does exist instead believe it or not.
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
He made the decisions that got us to this point in the first place. You don't fix problems by continuing to make the same errors, eventually you actually need to change whom is making these bad decisions.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
League seasons like last season and this season weren't that uncommon for us pre Levy. Clubs of a similar stature to us when he came in like Villa and Everton have had those seasons with some regularity.
The infrequency (for a long time complete lack) of seasons like that along with the frequency of seasons in Europe and the CL was seen by many, including me, as real progress.
The question for me was always the likelihood of someone else in charge making fewer mistakes, mistakes will always happen. Way to early to say on the current bunch, signs so far not great.
In hindsight though don't you think that given the churn at all levels above the playing staff it was a change made at the wrong time given our position at pitch level? The Lewis's have put themselves, Vinai and all other new appointments at boardroom level in a very precarious situation, whilst also leaving the management team all at sea. There are big calls to be made by people who have only just got their feet in the door and getting to grips with the club and their roles within the structure - talk about jumping in at the deep end. I'd wager if given the opportunity they'd reverse the decision to boot Levy without a seconds thought - they should have got the team in a steady position, get the new boardroom members in place around Levy, limiting his involvement/influence across so many areas and then move him on from a stronger position.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
If we could rewing time and try again keep Ange and Levy, see what happens?
They did change. It got worse.
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
We did well (but stopped progressing almost a decade ago) in spite him, in spite of the decisions he made. We had a good core but were never able to build upon it, because he didn't actually know how he achieved it in the first place. Striking gold once is possible but it's the recreating it multiple times that makes you great at your task.
Beyond that I will never understand the cognitive dissonance that disconnects where we are today with the season upon season stagnation presided over by Levy. None of this is new, there were loads of us pointing out the cracks years ago, and the chickens have just finally come home to roost.
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
I Suppose depending on their perspective, if they felt that Levy was directly responsible for the recent degradation there's no point keeping him on if he's continually making things worse from your perspective. Supposedly they had compiled a performance review that continually pointed to Levy as the source of problems. At that point 8 can see the argument that there is no time like the present to attempt steady the ship.
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
No sack both, Frank may not have been the right person but neither was Ange and certainly not Levy.
You don't shy away from decision because you got it wrong, you reboot look at your mistakes and go again.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
For me Levy failed at recruiting the right people in charge (DoFs, managers) too many times post Poch (and during Poch on the DoF side). That was probably his biggest and most costly mistake. Why he didn't insist on the DoF model I don't understand.
For sure Levy can't be absolved for our problems now. But similarly the claim from those who wanted Levy out was that it was likely that someone else would do better. Remains to be seen.
johnola
Vedran Corluka
That second part will not happen under this ownership group.
Almost… exactly what’s happening.
If I wasn’t a spurs fan I would be laughing my arse off right now at just how completely rudderless we are.
fudge these cǔnts off and bring Levy back.
Revisionist bullshít.
He took over a lower midtable club going nowhere and made us a contender. Financially one of the richest clubs in the world and raised our world wide profile massively.
That can’t be debated unless your an idiot.
Up until the end of the pouch era we were on the right trajectory on the pitch as well making more steps forward than back. That was down to the decisions he made
Since then, its mostly been a downward trajectory, but there have been some highlights as well.
Pipping Arsenal to 4th under Conte and obviously our UEFA win last year under Ange. Again his decisions there has been some bad decisions as well.
But I had faith he could turn it round if he found a DOF and then Manger that aligned with him.
Because he is a smart guy who is personally and financially invested.
Those are the types you want to keep around
Now the nepos and Agent VV have binned him off and we are a shambles.
Jurgen the German
George Hunt
I’m equally perplexed and annoyed as you that we’re taking so long. But it’s almost like you’ve forgotten we dithered in the past when it comes to managerial searches with Levy in charge. How many managers did we look at before eventually bringing in Nuno who ultimately flopped anyway? Ange wasn’t our first choice before we approached and subsequently appointed him.
I totally get the criticism at the current regime but some are acting like it was wildly different under Levy like we were always this well-run outfit that never dragged its feet in hiring managers, sacking them, signing players etc. it’s actually incredible how much leeway he got from people on here
Bishop
Jimmy McCormick
It's a cult mate.I’m equally perplexed and annoyed as you that we’re taking so long. But it’s almost like you’ve forgotten we dithered in the past when it comes to managerial searches with Levy in charge. How many managers did we look at before eventually bringing in Nuno who ultimately flopped anyway? Ange wasn’t our first choice before we approached and subsequently appointed him.
I totally get the criticism at the current regime but some are acting like it was wildly different under Levy like we were always this well-run outfit that never dragged its feet in hiring managers, sacking them, signing players etc. it’s actually incredible how much leeway he got from people on here
Like you say he's forgotten the umpteen times we were rudderless under his dear leader. The same man who created the very conditions we are in now and you want to reward him by letting him go again.
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Mikey10
Rafael Van Der Vaart
After Ange's quotes yesterday, every ex-manager (including Poch, possibly excluding Nuno - he wasn't really here long enough to form a view, I suppose) over more than the last decade has the same message - a badly run club when it came to the footballing side. It can't be in dispute.It's a cult mate.
Like you say he's forgotten the umpteen times we were rudderless under his dear leader. The same man who created the very conditions we are in now and you wan to reward him being letting him go again.
I'm sure that Frank will also have his say when the dust settles.
weirdly now its done I am glad the owners have stepped in - we really were so so bad at playing football. Which is a sport, and supposed to be fun to play and watch. It was neither and the manager was doggedly hanging in thinking he had a divine right to keep delivering dross and expect to have a job the next day.
I would never have sacked Ange - hell if you want to go back that far I would never have let Venables go back in '91 but Ange deserved to be given the chance to progress the team.