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The Case for the Attacking play

Bedfordspurs said:
I mean I know you like to defend Frank but he has set 2 club records in less than 13 league games for record low chance creation
That’s not anything we have even seen in the last 25 years
Even 30 years I believe (when they started collating data)
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Has absolutely nothing to do with defending Frank that comment, genuinely, your comment is alot of Spurs sides I have seen in the last 25 years

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Bedfordspurs said:
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Walking pace at best
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What this shows is that we have been coached to advance in only one way; go wide, lay it off and see if there's any purchase to be had from the wide areas/can a cross be swung in. Look at the lack of movement inside when ONE runner/player in such an area would've created two possible ways to fashion an opportunity. The direction of play once that first tactic is smothered? Well...
 
Finney Is Back said:
The point around 10 seconds into that clip is really telling, at this point Kudus has an easy pass inside to Bentancur who has got himself into a nice central position and ahead of Saudi Sportswashing Machine's player who hasn't tracked him. If that ball is played then it opens up another easy pass to (I think it is) Sarr who would be running into space and in areally good central postition or another reasonably simple pass to Muani who, again, would be in a really good position in the centre of the pitch. Or even a pass to Udogie who could come in from his wing and be in acres of space and one on one with Saudi Sportswashing Machine's right back.

The pass inside to Bentancur is not even a high risk pass, it is a simple one that has zero danger. This 'horse shoe' shaped football we are playing when we have the ball is making it extremely difficult for us to create chances.
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This.
 
thfcsteff said:
What this shows is that we have been coached to advance in only one way; go wide, lay it off and see if there's any purchase to be had from the wide areas/can a cross be swung in. Look at the lack of movement inside when ONE runner/player in such an area would've created two possible ways to fashion an opportunity. The direction of play once that first tactic is smothered? Well...
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It’s so so basic
Said it after the Bournemouth game and nothing has changed
It relies on brilliance from the players rather than the system and structure
Don’t get it at all TBH
 
I don't even know if we are trying not to lose the ball,or just have no clue what to do.

The telling thing for me is we only seem to want to cross the ball into the box yet our wide options are so slow to move into space,and when they do, the midfield pass the ball sideways or backwards.

We just seem to be scared.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Yeah plenty actually. I like VDV, Romero and Bergvall to name a few. But I don’t think we have any world class players, nor do I think our squad is good enough to compete for major honours on a consistent basis so I’m not going to lie to myself and pretend players who aren’t good enough are better than they actually are. I don’t know how it helps to act morally superior and posture about being a better fan. If you want to act like THFC can do no wrong then go ahead but that won’t improve the team.

I also think our fans for the most part are very good which is ironic that you’re slating me for not liking anything or anyone about the club as you’re continually slagging off our fans who pay their hard earned money to watch the club.
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Yep, I complain about fans abusing people, singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” to our manager and going on about sexy and nonsense like that. If that makes me look like I’m trying to be morally superior then thank you for the compliment.

Sorry if I’ve mistakenly characterised you but I feel like all I ever read from you is how brick Vicario, Johnson and Richarlison are. I think you might have issues with Porro and Udogie too from memory. I could be wrong but it just seems like there’s never really much positive out of you and if one of those players doesn’t have a 8/10 game you’ll be immediately in their threads.
 
Aargh I've just watched it (that Tweet above) 10 times and it gets worse and worse.
The number of opportunities and options and decisions made and it is just awful, then awful, then awful, then worse.

We have talented players that can PLAY in a situation like that, versus an unsettled defence, go for it and show us how good you are.





Every couple of days they show us training videos where the attack waltzes in and smacks the ball into the net with ease, yet every match they make it seem impossible to get near the box, let alone actually try a shot, and definitely not a shot on target, and heaven forbid a wicked shot that the keeper will struggle with.
 
tommysvr said:
Yep, I complain about fans abusing people, singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” to our manager and going on about sexy and nonsense like that. If that makes me look like I’m trying to be morally superior then thank you for the compliment.

Sorry if I’ve mistakenly characterised you but I feel like all I ever read from you is how brick Vicario, Johnson and Richarlison are. I think you might have issues with Porro and Udogie too from memory. I could be wrong but it just seems like there’s never really much positive out of you and if one of those players doesn’t have a 8/10 game you’ll be immediately in their threads.
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I think he just wants the days of world class players back and that’s a long way off
There is a real dearth of them now anywayb
And we don’t have any players that get yours off your seat either
 
Muttley said:
I clocked that real time, and was so disappointed to see Vic back on the ball. I partially blame Kudus though. Brennan takes a load of stick but he had intelligently come over to Kudus's side and gone on the right wing overlap. It's in these moments that your 2 wide players can work together for a change and get at the their defence. It's their job to take responsibility, and no blame should be passed to Frank. He's not told them to go back to the keeper. This is on the players for me.
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For sure the players need to take responsibility.

But I think it could also be on Frank, though obviously difficult to know for sure from the outside. To me the safety first and horseshoe passing strategy seems like something that has been ingrained and stops the players from taking responsibility.
 
Bullet said:
Aargh I've just watched it (that Tweet above) 10 times and it gets worse and worse.
The number of opportunities and options and decisions made and it is just awful, then awful, then awful, then worse.

We have talented players that can PLAY in a situation like that, versus an unsettled defence, go for it and show us how good you are.





Every couple of days they show us training videos where the attack waltzes in and smacks the ball into the net with ease, yet every match they make it seem impossible to get near the box, let alone actually try a shot, and definitely not a shot on target, and heaven forbid a wicked shot that the keeper will struggle with.
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The biggest problem for me being getting near or in the box.

IIRC there was a stat popping up in the first half at some point that Saudi Sportswashing Machine had 12 touches in our box, we had one in their box.

In that shortish spell later in the first half we had some sustained pressure and possession around their box, we looked threatening, looked like we could score. But for long spells we're not even in those areas.

That clip shows part of the reason why.
 
tommysvr said:
Yep, I complain about fans abusing people, singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” to our manager and going on about sexy and nonsense like that. If that makes me look like I’m trying to be morally superior then thank you for the compliment.

Sorry if I’ve mistakenly characterised you but I feel like all I ever read from you is how brick Vicario, Johnson and Richarlison are. I think you might have issues with Porro and Udogie too from memory. I could be wrong but it just seems like there’s never really much positive out of you and if one of those players doesn’t have a 8/10 game you’ll be immediately in their threads.
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I’ve also seen you characterise our fans as impatient and essentially blame them whenever a manager loses their job. Fans often do play a part when a manager gets sacked (when attendances drop for example and the clubs loses match day revenue) but you ignore or don’t accept that it’s often been the hierarchy who were ultimately the impatient party in the equation, sacking managers when there is often very little pressure from the fanbase to do so, getting rid of Jose before a cup final was a quintessential example of that.

For the record, I always condemn fans booing individual players, unless it’s for a lack of effort which is inexcusable. But I think singing you don’t know what you’re doing to a manager is fairly minor in the grand scheme of things.

I’ve made no secret or apology for the fact that I don’t rate Richarlison. I’m going to the game and if he starts then I’ll support him because if he scores or plays well then it’s good for Spurs.

I also feel Vicario is too shaky and not good enough despite being a top shot stopper. I’ve often praised him when he’s played well, Monaco for example, but he’s had too many difficult moments and I believe we should upgrade on him.



Johnson just isn’t good enough in my opinion at anything other than scoring goals, but wingers/forwards need to offer more than that and find other ways to be effective and contribute when they don’t score goals. When he doesn’t score, his contribution is thin.

Porro I actually used to really rate but I feel we may have outgrown him, I don’t think he’s good enough defensively. I’d like to see Spence given a run as he’s much better defensively, particularly one on one than Porro.


Udogie started brilliantly but he’s gone backwards IMO. Maybe injuries have played a part.

Your obligation as a fan ends at supporting the team during matches.

That doesn’t mean:

  • pretending you rate a player,
  • pretending their flaws don’t exist,
  • or giving up your right to judge their performances.
But it does mean:

  • not undermining them on the pitch,
  • not adding pressure in the stadium when they’re actively trying to contribute.
You can think Richarlison isn’t good enough and still cheer a goal he scores.

You can think Vicario needs replacing and still clap when he makes a save.

That’s not hypocrisy — that’s supporting the club you love while holding informed opinions.
 
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