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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton & Hove Albion FC ***

K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
VAR has been a massive disappointment to me, I was strongly in favour of as I had hoped it would remove all the poor decisions which seemed to favour those "in the club" teams.
Instead of reducing the number of controversial incidents it has increased them. Now virtually every game has a debatable call by the ref or the boys in the box.
Prior to VAR decision were based on the subjective view of the ref and his servants and VAR would check to see if those were right, now it appears to me it simply supports the original decision in the same subjective method.
When analysis by the "experts" in media some fouls are judged as soft which appears to be the system used by VAR. I never knew that in Laws of the Game that fouls had a table of classification where foul play could be ignored.
It's not an easy job and we all have a bias we are probably blind to but I feel most fans would welcome VAR being scraped or overseen by officals who have no conection with the current referee association.
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The bar to overturn a decision is set way to high and takes it's ability to make a decision away for the most part.
 
I think the standard of refereeing has been so so poor this season (based mainly on our games tbf)...I don't usually go at refs too much as it is such a difficult job BUT it's stood out this season, they look like amateurs with little understanding.

On VAR. I'm quite happy for VAR to stick it's nose in whenever required. Not saying halting the game every 3 minutes...but just working away in the background correcting the ref on factual decisions when viewing from their multiscreen setup. Eg a corner given that's actually a goal kick...just tell the ref in the earpiece. Corners or goalkicks always have a natural delay anyway.
Quickly analyze anything subjective, ask the ref if he saw this bit or that (so you know he's seen everything to make his subjective decision), and if var itself thinks it's marginal then just stick with the onfield refs view.

Most of this can be going on without the viewer even knowing. It's only the biggies and/or complicated ones that need a halt in play.

On another note, I thought the semi-automated offside was meant to be quick?...some have still taken ages this season. Sure it wasn't like that in the world cup?
 
How a player reacts should be irrelevant. A foul is a foul. Players started to go down more often I think as they felt that they wouldn’t get the decision if they stayed on their feet. But it has to be judged on the nature of the contact, if a player kicks another then that’s a foul, it shouldn’t matter how hard the kick is to determine that.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
VAR has been a massive disappointment to me, I was strongly in favour of as I had hoped it would remove all the poor decisions which seemed to favour those "in the club" teams.
Instead of reducing the number of controversial incidents it has increased them. Now virtually every game has a debatable call by the ref or the boys in the box.
Prior to VAR decision were based on the subjective view of the ref and his servants and VAR would check to see if those were right, now it appears to me it simply supports the original decision in the same subjective method.
When analysis by the "experts" in media some fouls are judged as soft which appears to be the system used by VAR. I never knew that in Laws of the Game that fouls had a table of classification where foul play could be ignored.
It's not an easy job and we all have a bias we are probably blind to but I feel most fans would welcome VAR being scraped or overseen by officals who have no conection with the current referee association.
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I think this is the very reason a lot of people want it removed. What's the point if it's just going to make poor decisions and cause more controversy.
 
Daisuk said:
I think this is the very reason a lot of people want it removed. What's the point if it's just going to make poor decisions and cause more controversy.
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The sooner the better for me, sadly there is no way those who thought it was going to be the best thing for the future of the game will accept the Farse it has been.
 
afsoc4life said:
VAR doesn't make decisions. It provides the opportunity for officials to have more information to make better decisions.
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Video Assistant Referee? They do take decisions. They decide whether the ref have to look at a situation or not, for instance.

The tech itself is seemingly getting better at a snail's pace, but adding more refs into the mix, in addition to the regular ref and the linesmen, just seem to add more complexity and chaos.

And, the big thing for me, I've said it 73 times - you can't properly celebrate a goal anymore due to the fudger. That's the real kicker for me. Sucks the fun and joy out of football. I'd rather have some bad decisions against us than that.
 
Daisuk said:
Video Assistant Referee? They do take decisions. They decide whether the ref have to look at a situation or not, for instance.

The tech itself is seemingly getting better at a snail's pace, but adding more refs into the mix, in addition to the regular ref and the linesmen, just seem to add more complexity and chaos.

And, the big thing for me, I've said it 73 times - you can't properly celebrate a goal anymore due to the fudger. That's the real kicker for me. Sucks the fun and joy out of football. I'd rather have some bad decisions against us than that.
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Could not agree more. And we still get bad decisions with VAR. Its crap.
 
Daisuk said:
Video Assistant Referee? They do take decisions. They decide whether the ref have to look at a situation or not, for instance.

The tech itself is seemingly getting better at a snail's pace, but adding more refs into the mix, in addition to the regular ref and the linesmen, just seem to add more complexity and chaos.

And, the big thing for me, I've said it 73 times - you can't properly celebrate a goal anymore due to the fudger. That's the real kicker for me. Sucks the fun and joy out of football. I'd rather have some bad decisions against us than that.
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My post referred to the tool not the refs. The refs are shocking.
 
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