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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 68 37.6%

  • Out

    Votes: 113 62.4%
  • Total voters
    181
Robspur12 said:
It does beg the question of why do you post on a fans' forum and moreover visit the same thread? :). We all post for different reasons. Would be a boring place if we didn't.
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I post as I'm interested in Spurs and like to see any topic related to them and peoples views, you could ask why people keep posting the same views on a subject, do they believe that there is someone on this site or planet did not understand and by repeating it will convince others they are right? The poll on this thread shows clearly the majority feeling and I don't think anything that happens this season will change it. Looking forward to more of the same.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I post as I'm interested in Spurs and like to see any topic related to them and peoples views, you could ask why people keep posting the same views on a subject, do they believe that there is someone on this site or planet did not understand and by repeating it will convince others they are right? The poll on this thread shows clearly the majority feeling and I don't think anything that happens this season will change it. Looking forward to more of the same.
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And even MORE complaining about complaining. It’s beyond parody now. 😃
 
Legohamster said:
Saw someone make the point about the players relationship with Ange, when was the last player to renew their contract under him?

I think when he leaves we will hear how they didn't like his processes.
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Good spot. There was Son, but that was a commercial decision/club option.

Romero and Bentancur extending Friday afternoon then?
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I post as I'm interested in Spurs and like to see any topic related to them and peoples views, you could ask why people keep posting the same views on a subject, do they believe that there is someone on this site or planet did not understand and by repeating it will convince others they are right? The poll on this thread shows clearly the majority feeling and I don't think anything that happens this season will change it. Looking forward to more of the same.
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Because the main issue around Spurs at the moment is Ange. That's why people post about it, some repeatedly. Not every person posting sees the world the same way we do but posting on a forum where everyone is a supporter of my club tends to mean I have more in common with most. For me, the interesting thing is to read a other points of view even those who don't share mine. I accept that is just what you get in a forum, no point complaining about it. In the end, you don't have to read the thread if it bothers you.
 
Mikey10 said:
I stand corrected - although not compelling evidence that a manager needs to have any nous to win up there.
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Not having a dig at anyone and not trying to defend ange or even Scottish football (I know me being Scottish it might appear to be so, but trust I'm as aware of how crap it is as anyone), it's just the pedant in my can't help point out what I see as some flawed logic, especially when it's repeated.

Scottish football is crap. Agreed.
Celtic are the dominant club. Agreed
Celtic were so bad under previous management they lost a one team league.
Ange turned that around. On the face of it not a hard task.

Scottish football is crap. Agreed.
Celtics record in Europe is awful. Agreed.
Ange's record in Europe at Celtic is awful.
Well yes it is, but is that really a stick to beat him with?
Spurs paid more for archie gray than the whole of Scottish football spent over several windows.
What exactly is the expectation there, can it really be said that he has only managed in Diddy leagues and then criticise him for his results elite club tournament managing Diddy teams?
BR won trophies in England and has Celtics worst results in Europe.

There is a lot that ange can be criticised for, but IMHO some of the arguments are not very good.
 
glasgowspur said:
Not having a dig at anyone and not trying to defend ange or even Scottish football (I know me being Scottish it might appear to be so, but trust I'm as aware of how crap it is as anyone), it's just the pedant in my can't help point out what I see as some flawed logic, especially when it's repeated.

Scottish football is crap. Agreed.
Celtic are the dominant club. Agreed
Celtic were so bad under previous management they lost a one team league.
Ange turned that around. On the face of it not a hard task.

Scottish football is crap. Agreed.
Celtics record in Europe is awful. Agreed.
Ange's record in Europe at Celtic is awful.
Well yes it is, but is that really a stick to beat him with?
Spurs paid more for archie gray than the whole of Scottish football spent over several windows.
What exactly is the expectation there, can it really be said that he has only managed in Diddy leagues and then criticise him for his results elite club tournament managing Diddy teams?
BR won trophies in England and has Celtics worst results in Europe.

There is a lot that ange can be criticised for, but IMHO some of the arguments are not very good.
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From my point of view my issues are just because what he's done has previously worked at a lower level doesn't mean it will translate to a higher level verbatim without adjustment.

I feel like he's brought a lot of issues on himself that he could have avoided, and ultimately that's been his undoing.
 
Legohamster said:
Saw someone make the point about the players relationship with Ange, when was the last player to renew their contract under him?

I think when he leaves we will hear how they didn't like his processes.
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Maybe look at the players whose contract are up in the next couple of years to see the reason why? The likes of Bentancur, Bissouma and Bryan Gil. No one we are desperate to extend and in some cases actively looking to get rid of.

But of course everything must stem back to big bad Ange, the thirst is real....
 
harr1984 said:
No manager is leaving now to come to us. It will be after the end of the season, so it's either Ange or Mason until then....
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Then make it Mason.

Again, just a bit of corporate insight, when brick goes sideways, there not only has to be repercussions, they needs to be visible repercussions.

Ange is not the only problem at the club, but the players (part of the issue) and others need to see, there is consequence to results (lack of)

There is literally zero upside to keeping him at this point (assuming we lose tomorrow)
 
glasgowspur said:
Not having a dig at anyone and not trying to defend ange or even Scottish football (I know me being Scottish it might appear to be so, but trust I'm as aware of how crap it is as anyone), it's just the pedant in my can't help point out what I see as some flawed logic, especially when it's repeated.

Scottish football is crap. Agreed.
Celtic are the dominant club. Agreed
Celtic were so bad under previous management they lost a one team league.
Ange turned that around. On the face of it not a hard task.

Scottish football is crap. Agreed.
Celtics record in Europe is awful. Agreed.
Ange's record in Europe at Celtic is awful.
Well yes it is, but is that really a stick to beat him with?
Spurs paid more for archie gray than the whole of Scottish football spent over several windows.
What exactly is the expectation there, can it really be said that he has only managed in Diddy leagues and then criticise him for his results elite club tournament managing Diddy teams?
BR won trophies in England and has Celtics worst results in Europe.

There is a lot that ange can be criticised for, but IMHO some of the arguments are not very good.
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I've always thought that great football brains and great attitudes to your chosen profession gets you a long way. I bet Ange has a way of finding these characters in all the leagues he's managed. Where I've always pondered is whether the football brains at the PL level are pretty much the same but the players are much better technicians and can exploit the tactics. I've rarely seen Spurs exploited as badly down the wings and even through centre midfield as under Ange.

We're at 49 goals conceded as we stand with 6 games left. We're gonna be somewhere flat year to year on that key stat. Not such an issue at the other end though. That's the one place I would applaud Ange.
 
fernadez said:
From my point of view my issues are just because what he's done has previously worked at a lower level doesn't mean it will translate to a higher level verbatim without adjustment.

I feel like he's brought a lot of issues on himself that he could have avoided, and ultimately that's been his undoing.
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Exactly how I felt when he was appointed, I never expected him to be a roaring success here.
EL league position and decent cup runs, I don't think that’s too much to ask, I didn't forsee the league form being so bad.
 
HarryBreadbap said:
Isn't Mason part of the issue?

I mean shouldn't the new manager sweep clean?

Mason's employment at the club should be looked at from the angle of achievement not his history as a player for us?
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Look at the 3 macarons (and Nuno) that he's worked for though. Sometimes the best you can do in your role is damage limitation. I've got a mate in the civil service whose chief role for a decade was 'limiting the harm of Michael Gove'. So do you judge him by Gove's results? Or the gap between Gove's actual damage and potential damage?

Lots of people used to be down on Chrissy Hughton, because he worked alongside a lot of dud managers. But he then went on to show that he was much more capable than all of them.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Oh I didn't realise, I've not noticed people posting that. We all have an opinion on the issue but to continue posting the same points regularly seems pointless and boring, all for a bit of originality or different views but the same 6/7 failings are continually posted.
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I agree it's kind of repetitive, but if we keep failing in the same way what else can you expect people to say? There's only so many ways to discuss the same thing.
 
Bishop said:
I agree it's kind of repetitive, but if we keep failing in the same way what else can you expect people to say? There's only so many ways to discuss the same thing.
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I just learnt at the far too many meetings I had to attend that if I didn't have anything new to add to the discussion I said nothing.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I just learnt at the far too many meetings I had to attend that if I didn't have anything new to add to the discussion I said nothing.
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That would make this forum a pretty sparse place if no one ever aid anything that might have been said before.

I do have to ask you would you still have complaints if the repetitive conversations were largely positive of the manager and our current situation?
 
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