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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Danishfurniturelover said:
I don't like Ange, William it because we won yesterday so I can't be accused of being knee jerk.

Have not taken to him.
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I feel a bit indifferent about him, to be honest; there’s something there that I just don’t warm too that much.

But that’s by the by, as I’ll largely judge him on what happens on the pitch. He’s showing signs that he’s learning, so happy for him to keep doing that. I’m enjoying watching us a bit more of late, although there is much still to do on the defensive side of things.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Fair point. We do need someone with a bit more meanness/steel who can also play in the DM. Bissouma does both to an ok standard but does neither at higher than a 6/10 IMO. Sometimes he will give you an 8 or he can also chuck in a 3/10.
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Ange has more options to switch things that Poch did - he has square pegs to fit into square holes. In Poch's second season he had to shoehorn a CB into a defensive midfielder. Agree that Dembele was a beast, but his body struggled with the demands of the PL. Same with Wanyama.

Where the difference comes between the 2 is that Poch ensured a better balance between defence and attack. Ange set up yesterday with Madison sitting deep and Sarr on the bench whereas Poch would have had, where possible 2 defensive midfielders who would cover across when the full backs bombed forward.

Ange learnt yesterday from the Brighton debacle, probably because we were not dominating WHam like we did Brighton. He swapped Maddison for Sarr which changed the game. Good on him. Hope it means he is learning to be more flexible tactically. He has a pretty good squad and needs to use it.
 
Robspur12 said:
Ange has more options to switch things that Poch did - he has square pegs to fit into square holes. In Poch's second season he had to shoehorn a CB into a defensive midfielder. Agree that Dembele was a beast, but his body struggled with the demands of the PL. Same with Wanyama.

Where the difference comes between the 2 is that Poch ensured a better balance between defence and attack. Ange set up yesterday with Madison sitting deep and Sarr on the bench whereas Poch would have had, where possible 2 defensive midfielders who would cover across when the full backs bombed forward.

Ange learnt yesterday from the Brighton debacle, probably because we were not dominating WHam like we did Brighton. He swapped Maddison for Sarr which changed the game. Good on him. Hope it means he is learning to be more flexible tactically. He has a pretty good squad and needs to use it.
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It’s just that it’s that glaringly obvious two out of Sarr Bissouma and Bentancur should be in the middle of the park. We continue to create chances which will eventually get tucked away … but defensively we are more solid. We have ability in this team … it’s frustrating to watch at times as it’s just a few tweaks which will mean that we are less likely to concede and hopefully turn our huff and puff into results
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think collectively we have been alot better this season than last, people are still making silly mistakes, we are certainly getting numbers back into a shape better than last, we are not stretched 2 on 2 or caught short at the back as we were. The goal yesterday was naïve from Udogie (who infairness to both him and Ange assuming he got a rocket was tremendous second half)

Top scorers in the league and only conceded one or two more than Arsenal, one set play concession this season I think it is, might seem heresy to say on here but I think we are better than we were and the trade off isn't as much as people are making out.
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Imo even last season we rarely got outnumbered, we'd have numbers back but either in the wrong position, not being aware or Ball watching. That happened again with yesterday's goal. BJ not picking up a potential goal scorer. Beyond the immediate defenders (not ignoring Romeros moments this season btw) players need
to be astute, playing the percentages of what 'might' happen.

What's most annoying is when the defensive action to do something is fully open to that player. If they're outpaced, out tricked, or done by really smart movement.....then fair enough.
 
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Robspur12 said:
Ange has more options to switch things that Poch did - he has square pegs to fit into square holes. In Poch's second season he had to shoehorn a CB into a defensive midfielder. Agree that Dembele was a beast, but his body struggled with the demands of the PL. Same with Wanyama.

Where the difference comes between the 2 is that Poch ensured a better balance between defence and attack. Ange set up yesterday with Madison sitting deep and Sarr on the bench whereas Poch would have had, where possible 2 defensive midfielders who would cover across when the full backs bombed forward.

Ange learnt yesterday from the Brighton debacle, probably because we were not dominating WHam like we did Brighton. He swapped Maddison for Sarr which changed the game. Good on him. Hope it means he is learning to be more flexible tactically. He has a pretty good squad and needs to use it.
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Shoe horn?
That was a genuine tactic from Poch
 
Robspur12 said:
Ange has more options to switch things that Poch did - he has square pegs to fit into square holes. In Poch's second season he had to shoehorn a CB into a defensive midfielder. Agree that Dembele was a beast, but his body struggled with the demands of the PL. Same with Wanyama.

Where the difference comes between the 2 is that Poch ensured a better balance between defence and attack. Ange set up yesterday with Madison sitting deep and Sarr on the bench whereas Poch would have had, where possible 2 defensive midfielders who would cover across when the full backs bombed forward.

Ange learnt yesterday from the Brighton debacle, probably because we were not dominating WHam like we did Brighton. He swapped Maddison for Sarr which changed the game. Good on him. Hope it means he is learning to be more flexible tactically. He has a pretty good squad and needs to use it.
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We wanted to buy a DM for Poch. Poch said 'dont bother, I will make Dier into that player '.
 
Robspur12 said:
No it wasn't he wanted Morgan Schneiderlin. We didn't get him so he tried Dier in that role instead. It worked so he carried on.
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People reinvent history to support their case sometimes. Poch had been offered numerous players but I think he decided against them as they didn’t suit him. I think poch would fair much better under the current setup of buying players rather than enjoyed previously.
 
Robspur12 said:
No it wasn't he wanted Morgan Schneiderlin. We didn't get him so he tried Dier in that role instead. It worked so he carried on.
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In your opinion
I’ve heard Dier talk about Poch wanting him to play that role early days when we signed him (diers words)
We did want schneiderlain but he wouldn’t have been able to drop into defence as we saw Poch have Dier do
Dier was so flexible for Poch he was a big part of the improvement
Your forgetting that Dier in his first season also played right back for Poch
A flexible player playing many roles
Quote similar to what Ange is doing with Gray
 
Bedfordspurs said:
In your opinion
I’ve heard Dier talk about Poch wanting him to play that role early days when we signed him (diers words)
We did want schneiderlain but he wouldn’t have been able to drop into defence as we saw Poch have Dier do
Dier was so flexible for Poch he was a big part of the improvement
Your forgetting that Dier in his first season also played right back for Poch
A flexible player playing many roles
Quote similar to what Ange is doing with Gray
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It wasn't my opinion, that doesn't count for brick. It was widely reported at the time. He then went and bought Wanyama the following season so clearly he wanted a different option to play alongside Dembele. I think he saw Dier as a Utility defensive player rather than in any fixed position. Wanting Schneiderlin then buying Wanyama showed he wanted another defensive midfielder.

But tbh we are going off track, I don't think it is disputed that Poch did not have the same options in midfield that are available to our current manager. So Ange has to use his options better. He did on Saturday and long may it continue.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
“In the summer [2015], we were looking for a midfielder and we had plenty of options but I decided to play him (Dier) in midfield,” Pochettino explained. “I created a system that he felt comfortable in.”
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But maybe the options available were not the right options; it's hard to know with that statement taken out of context. After all, in the previous season didn't he get Benjamin Stambouli instead of his preferred option? I am sure he wouldn't have turned down a top class of DM.
 
Gazza said:
It’s just that it’s that glaringly obvious two out of Sarr Bissouma and Bentancur should be in the middle of the park. We continue to create chances which will eventually get tucked away … but defensively we are more solid. We have ability in this team … it’s frustrating to watch at times as it’s just a few tweaks which will mean that we are less likely to concede and hopefully turn our huff and puff into results
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I think it's really good that we have both options (Two of the players you mentioned or Kulusevski and Maddison together in midfield). We've been fantastic at times this season with the Maddison Kulusevski lineup.

Sarr and Bissouma did play just about every league game when fit last season and we were still vulnerable.

Ange is again showing flexibility (within a system). And that's a good thing.
 
braineclipse said:
I think it's really good that we have both options (Two of the players you mentioned or Kulusevski and Maddison together in midfield). We've been fantastic at times this season with the Maddison Kulusevski lineup.

Sarr and Bissouma did play just about every league game when fit last season and we were still vulnerable.

Ange is again showing flexibility (within a system). And that's a good thing.
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I think that flexibility is in the main part giving players chances and just plain old trying to figure out who is our first choice midfield. Pretty much a carry on from the back end of last season where still no one stood out (or combination stood out).

And, if you do we'll, you keep the shirt.
Luckily for all the squad, the number of games is going to give them all minutes, so it's not a closed shop.
I don't think it's always tactical either, it's more (as Ange says) that different players bring different qualities to the same role.

I think we have a great pool of players to choose from though. It feels strong...and also feels like there is more to come from them.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I think that flexibility is in the main part giving players chances and just plain old trying to figure out who is our first choice midfield. Pretty much a carry on from the back end of last season where still no one stood out (or combination stood out).

And, if you do we'll, you keep the shirt.
Luckily for all the squad, the number of games is going to give them all minutes, so it's not a closed shop.
I don't think it's always tactical either, it's more (as Ange says) that different players bring different qualities to the same role.

I think we have a great pool of players to choose from though. It feels strong...and also feels like there is more to come from them.
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I guess I agree. But I also think that shows flexibility. Including with the adjustments in how the full backs have seemingly operated.

I'm not sure we have a first choice midfield at the moment, quite a bit of real competition there and that's good.

I agree that it seems there's more to come from this group of players and I think there's positive movement overall.
 
Robspur12 said:
Ange has more options to switch things that Poch did - he has square pegs to fit into square holes. In Poch's second season he had to shoehorn a CB into a defensive midfielder. Agree that Dembele was a beast, but his body struggled with the demands of the PL. Same with Wanyama.

Where the difference comes between the 2 is that Poch ensured a better balance between defence and attack. Ange set up yesterday with Madison sitting deep and Sarr on the bench whereas Poch would have had, where possible 2 defensive midfielders who would cover across when the full backs bombed forward.

Ange learnt yesterday from the Brighton debacle, probably because we were not dominating WHam like we did Brighton. He swapped Maddison for Sarr which changed the game. Good on him. Hope it means he is learning to be more flexible tactically. He has a pretty good squad and needs to use it.
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Poch had a better first 11 (for now), Ange has a better squad

I think there is more competition for places than I can remember, from the team that started yesterday, Bentancur, Dragusin, Sarr, Spence, Richi all can claim to be pushing for a first team spot, even Gray, Bergvall, Werner should be in picture.
 
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