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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Aston Villa***, PL, Sat 19th Sept 2026

Not looking to re-write history but only just rewatched the game on BBC highlights and not looked elsewhere.
The Robertson offside for the non-first goal. Is the BBC feed the same as the VAR feed does anyone know? Is that the official image they take off? When the Beeb stop it the ball has clearly left the foot (or is a stretched blur so is past contact) and yet the VAR lines have just a fraction a sleeves width as the offside bit. I know it 'looks' offside, I thought at the time it was offside so didn't think anything of it.

This has been debated ad nauseum on here and elsewhere about the inaccuracy of VAR for offsides and also the rule - is it when the contact with the ball is made or when the ball leaves the foot? With defender and attacker travelling in opposite directions that split second of difference is the cms that govern decisions.

This is the image the BBC froze on. That is not a precise moment in time for that ball so makes any decision on relative player position subjective.

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Benny_Lad said:
In the senior management space of business people are paid to make decisions regularly. Usually, most good leaders will make more good than bad, and they can look back and be happy with their work at the end of each year.

I’m not exaggerating when I say that every single big decision these clowns make is wrong.

Frank
Tudor
NZ/Oz tour
Richy
No striker signed
Mudryk
Lankshear
Vuskovic
180m in midfield

I could add others like Spence but I’m told that is defendable as he wanted out.

If you were looking to defend VV/JL and co, what would be the good things they have done? Like, they should be able to get to the end of a year and say, “yeah we did well there” (on something!?)
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also the biggest mistake of all, Levy.
 
Lost Mango said:
Not looking to re-write history but only just rewatched the game on BBC highlights and not looked elsewhere.
The Robertson offside for the non-first goal. Is the BBC feed the same as the VAR feed does anyone know? Is that the official image they take off? When the Beeb stop it the ball has clearly left the foot (or is a stretched blur so is past contact) and yet the VAR lines have just a fraction a sleeves width as the offside bit. I know it 'looks' offside, I thought at the time it was offside so didn't think anything of it.

This has been debated ad nauseum on here and elsewhere about the inaccuracy of VAR for offsides and also the rule - is it when the contact with the ball is made or when the ball leaves the foot? With defender and attacker travelling in opposite directions that split second of difference is the cms that govern decisions.

This is the image the BBC froze on. That is not a precise moment in time for that ball so makes any decision on relative player position subjective.

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And again, I know this is a tiniest of issues in the bigger spurs picture but just a frustration I had with VAR (and Hawkeye etc) for many a year.
 
Benny_Lad said:
In the senior management space of business people are paid to make decisions regularly. Usually, most good leaders will make more good than bad, and they can look back and be happy with their work at the end of each year.

I’m not exaggerating when I say that every single big decision these clowns make is wrong.

Frank
Tudor
NZ/Oz tour
Richy
No striker signed
Mudryk
Lankshear
Vuskovic
180m in midfield

I could add others like Spence but I’m told that is defendable as he wanted out.

If you were looking to defend VV/JL and co, what would be the good things they have done? Like, they should be able to get to the end of a year and say, “yeah we did well there” (on something!?)
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Are these decisions made by VV/JL or them plus RDZ? If you believe the talk of the summer we've backed the manager and let him make the decisions.
 
P.D. said:
Players are worth what others are willing to pay for them. The problem is because we paid £75m which apart from the other signings this summer would have made him a club record we have higher expectations of them but that's not the players fault.

He's delivering close to what we can expect from him imo, we need movement from the rest of the midfield and a striker who can get in the right positions to convert chances and we'd look a lot better.

I think one issue we have with Savio is that he's likely a fair weather player who plays well in a settled team or when the team is playing well. I don't see him as someone who's going to seize the game, inspire others and make everyone else look better. But players like Tonali and Fernandes should absolutely be doing that.
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We are absolutely not even trying to get the best out of him by playing him as a cut in and shoot RW. It's not something he can do. Even on the left where he should be played £75m would be very rich for him and is say that as someone who likes and rated him from his Girona days but even I think that too much for him on the left. On the right it's absolutely crazy money.
 
Lost Mango said:
And again, I know this is a tiniest of issues in the bigger spurs picture but just a frustration I had with VAR (and Hawkeye etc) for many a year.
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My feeling at the time was even if you rolled back a few frames it would have still been offside.

The big controversial incident in the game was Wan Bissaka clattering into Marmoush when he looked like he was able to receive the ball in the air. It was a clear foul and when VAR would have looked at it then WB would have been deemed the last defender and sent off. We didn't even get the foul such is the incompetence of PGMOL. Even the commentary team talked about it in our favour which they never seen to do.

Then a few mins later WB made a yellow card challenge and got away with it. There were others by Kamara, Gomes etc that were clear yellows.

Villa only actually got 1 yellow the entire game and that was Jackson encroaching on our free kick.

Spurs could easily put together an analysts reel of the referee blatantly ignoring the laws of the game. If these players go on yellow cards then the outcome of the game is different. How much longer should we accept refs changing the actual result of games?
 
My feeling at the time was he was offside and probably frame by frame wouldn't make a difference but just insecure about the objectivity of the whole thing and then the Beeb used sucha tinkle poor frame freeze so I was just thinking.

The Wan-Bissaka on Marmoush was as you say an absolute stinker.
 
Muttley said:
Solanke has been littered with injuries for some time. It's perfectly natural that he hasn't either got to 100% or felt the confidence in his body after what he's been through.

As for xG, I'm no expert but it takes 2 to tango. If the striker is doing striker things then the assisters will iprove the xG in my mind. I'm not certain yet that both parties are helping this xG stat.
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If he pulls the trigger it gets rated
I watched it
He had 2 chances to shoot
The header which was checked fo handball and that word air shot thing that Savio shot from
Nothing else
So the chances were not there for him
Unless the argument is players can’t find him
I would say, having actually watched it again (no idea why) he was doing the donkey work with the opposition which is sorely needed in this team
 
Bishop said:
I don't think you understand xG. It tells you how good your finishing is not how good your chances are. Which is why yesterday we had both a higher culmative xG than Villa and a higher per shot xG yet scored fewer goals. That not an issue of chances, that's an issue of finishing. When Jackson had a difficult chance he buried it in the corner, when Solanke got the ball in the box he couldn't even control it. 🤣

I'm not claiming Solanke must score from that situation but for him to not even be able to control the ball and get a shot off, very much explains the issue yesterday versus what Villa were able achieve with their few chances. When their moments came they took them, when ours came we sometimes didn't even get a shot off.
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He didn’t control that one pass
Not sure what he was trying
The only other ball to him was the header
The supply line is so bad
Not sure how we had so many shots because I don’t recall them
Tonali had 3 shots
So did savio
Fernandes, Solanke, kudus and Maddison all had 2
I’ll say now that Solanke doesn’t look fit
I don’t think a lot of the squad do but he looks at about 90% which is a big drop for this level
But the supply line to him is horrendous
Some of that can be him of course like that one he let go behind him for savios shot
 
Bedfordspurs said:
If he pulls the trigger it gets rated
I watched it
He had 2 chances to shoot
The header which was checked fo handball and that word air shot thing that Savio shot from
Nothing else
So the chances were not there for him
Unless the argument is players can’t find him
I would say, having actually watched it again (no idea why) he was doing the donkey work with the opposition which is sorely needed in this team
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I think my point is more than what you say though. Were there opportunities for Solanke to make the right runs to encourage his team mates to pass or cross and create goalscoring opportunities? Was he operating in the right areas to make goalscoring chances happen? This one is the grey area for me. It can't really be answered until we see more of him this season.
 
Muttley said:
I think my point is more than what you say though. Were there opportunities for Solanke to make the right runs to encourage his team mates to pass or cross and create goalscoring opportunities? Was he operating in the right areas to make goalscoring chances happen? This one is the grey area for me. It can't really be answered until we see more of him this season.
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He made runs
But they are kinda of irrelevant when the football is like this
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The way we play creates no space for anyone and is so slow and ponderous
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
He didn’t control that one pass
Not sure what he was trying
The only other ball to him was the header
The supply line is so bad
Not sure how we had so many shots because I don’t recall them
Tonali had 3 shots
So did savio
Fernandes, Solanke, kudus and Maddison all had 2
I’ll say now that Solanke doesn’t look fit
I don’t think a lot of the squad do but he looks at about 90% which is a big drop for this level
But the supply line to him is horrendous
Some of that can be him of course like that one he let go behind him for savios shot
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There was another moment when the ball came into him, it was late in the game I think when it was 0-2 and he again he totally fudged up his control of the ball. A better striker, a Jackson controls that ball and possibly gets a shot off as he did for the goal. The goal want even a good chance, it was just someone taking advantage of a half opportunity and great finishing. Something that Solanke lacks in both regards. You pass the ball to his feet virtually on the penalty spot and not only does he not even get a shot off, he doesn't even control the ball and you think he isn't the cause of his own lack of scoring. This isn't new with him, this is year 3 of no threat, no chances Solanke.
 
Bishop said:
There was another moment when the ball came into him, it was late in the game I think when it was 0-2 and he again he totally fudged up his control of the ball. A better striker, a Jackson controls that ball and possibly gets a shot off as he did for the goal. The goal want even a good chance, it was just someone taking advantage of a half opportunity and great finishing. Something that Solanke lacks in both regards. You pass the ball to his feet virtually on the penalty spot and not only does he not even get a shot off, he doesn't even control the ball and you think he isn't the cause of his own lack of scoring. This isn't new with him, this is year 3 of no threat, no chances Solanke.
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I’d have to see that one because I didn’t see it at the game or on the replay

The club and the manager have made the call that he is the only CF we haven’t need for now

That’s ok them and very much RDZ

He has to fix this because it’s all on him as the man in charge
The fact our DM had the most shots and they were all outside the area says a lot for how we were playing
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Grim isnt it
Can’t get worse I suppose
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No it can`t. When I saw our fixture list for the games up to the international break and the optimism we all had after our summer signings I`m pretty sure every Spurs supporter and a lot of pundits would have had us right up there with 9 or 10 points. Not in a million years would I have thought we would be winless, rock bottom of the table, and a goal difference of minus 6 already. The worst thing for me is that our performances haven`t got me thinking we have been unlucky or that we are going to turn it around any time soon. Every game you can more or less see how it is going to pan out. Yes we were ok for the first 25 minutes, but when we conceded the goal with literally the last kick of the half I had no expectation that we would turn the result around. When did we last come from a goal down to win? It was a dire watch and there was not one period in the second half where I thought we could get anything from the game. That is the big problem for me we look devoid of ideas and I know we got 2 goals at the end but the reality is that once they went ahead Villa pretty much controlled the game
 
Nexus1967 said:
No it can`t. When I saw our fixture list for the games up to the international break and the optimism we all had after our summer signings I`m pretty sure every Spurs supporter and a lot of pundits would have had us right up there with 9 or 10 points. Not in a million years would I have thought we would be winless, rock bottom of the table, and a goal difference of minus 6 already. The worst thing for me is that our performances haven`t got me thinking we have been unlucky or that we are going to turn it around any time soon. Every game you can more or less see how it is going to pan out. Yes we were ok for the first 25 minutes, but when we conceded the goal with literally the last kick of the half I had no expectation that we would turn the result around. When did we last come from a goal down to win? It was a dire watch and there was not one period in the second half where I thought we could get anything from the game. That is the big problem for me we look devoid of ideas and I know we got 2 goals at the end but the reality is that once they went ahead Villa pretty much controlled the game
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Coming up…

Man Utd Away
Coventry Home
Chelsea Away
Palace Home
Leeds Away

It’s not difficult to imagine us on somewhere between 5-7 points when mid-November rolls around.

Here’s hoping we see things begin to really take off after the international break.
 
Mikey10 said:
Coming up…

Man Utd Away
Coventry Home
Chelsea Away
Palace Home
Leeds Away

It’s not difficult to imagine us on somewhere between 5-7 points when mid-November rolls around.

Here’s hoping we see things begin to really take off after the international break.
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I can see us beating United and losing to Coventry
 
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