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robp135 said:
This is what I said about the Catholic priest sexual abuse cover up in this thread 2 weeks ago. I actively brought it up.
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The point is your statement of "What cannot be denied is that their race allowed many to continue to commit those crimes for decades without even fear of prosecution"

Can literally be attributed to scores of criminality and CSE/Rape cases/rings not just Pakistani Grooming gangs.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
The point is your statement of "What cannot be denied is that their race allowed many to continue to commit those crimes for decades without even fear of prosecution"

Can literally be attributed to scores of criminality and CSE/Rape cases/rings not just Pakistani Grooming gangs.
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Sorry what does CSE stand for?
 
robp135 said:
Thanks.

Yes it can. But not to most of the “look white person is a nonce why is Tommy Robinson not mad” stories that have been posted the last few weeks.
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I don’t think it always comes across, and I understand why, but I think the reason for this isn’t meant to be as much of a “white people do it too” but to point out the hypocrisy of people like Ten cells Tommy when he wants to make VAWG about race and religion, whilst clearly plenty of his followers are at it too, but he never wants to talk about it because it doesn’t fit in with him being a small minded racist.

Though I completely get that it can probably feel a bit one upping on here sometimes in both directions.
 
Rafa87 said:
I don’t think it always comes across, and I understand why, but I think the reason for this isn’t meant to be as much of a “white people do it too” but to point out the hypocrisy of people like Ten cells Tommy when he wants to make VAWG about race and religion, whilst clearly plenty of his followers are at it too, but he never wants to talk about it because it doesn’t fit in with him being a small minded racist.

Though I completely get that it can probably feel a bit one upping on here sometimes in both directions.
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It is, but that wont be accepted......People have been saying it for a fortnight now
 
Rafa87 said:
I don’t think it always comes across, and I understand why, but I think the reason for this isn’t meant to be as much of a “white people do it too” but to point out the hypocrisy of people like Ten cells Tommy when he wants to make VAWG about race and religion, whilst clearly plenty of his followers are at it too, but he never wants to talk about it because it doesn’t fit in with him being a small minded racist.

Though I completely get that it can probably feel a bit one upping on here sometimes in both directions.
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True but you can literally apply this to everything. I’m a taco for wearing a pair of Nike shorts today that were probably made by an exploited worker. I’m going to eat meat. It goes on.

I’d also argue that one of the biggest crimes of the grooming gang scandal is that it directly led to Robinsons rise to prominence. Had these crimes just been dealt with at the time he would be a nobody right now. That Question time back and forth.
 
robp135 said:
.I’d also argue that one of the biggest crimes of the grooming gang scandal is that it directly led to Robinsons rise to prominence. Had these crimes just been dealt with at the time he would be a nobody right now. That Question time back and forth.
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Course he would, he is a grifter who is monetising hate. And unfortunately there are enough thick cnuts out there who want to buy into his hate.

People eat up this sh1t.....

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MartyFunkhouser said:
Course he would, he is a grifter who is monetising hate. And unfortunately there are enough thick cnuts out there who want to buy into his hate.

People eat up this sh1t.....

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Someone else may have filled that spot. But he was on the grooming gangs and have the question time incident.
 
robp135 said:
True but you can literally apply this to everything. I’m a taco for wearing a pair of Nike shorts today that were probably made by an exploited worker. I’m going to eat meat. It goes on.

I’d also argue that one of the biggest crimes of the grooming gang scandal is that it directly led to Robinsons rise to prominence. Had these crimes just been dealt with at the time he would be a nobody right now. That Question time back and forth.
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I think it's easy to observe that the grooming gangs is only one part of Tommy's wide ranging race hate portfolio.

He's a hypocrite of the highest order because not only (as mentioned) does he not say a peep about people within his own 'tent' committing similar crimes BUT also these crimes are commited against children and women who he professes to defend and protect as a matter of urgency.

None of it quite as urgent as shoving something up his hooter.
 
thfcsteff said:
It's not 'the point', it is YOUR point.
We've been over this.
You have the backstory but declared it not to be within your personal scope of consideration. Your sword I suppose, you live by it.


...BTW you want a cover-up scandal?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971

https://www.france24.com/en/france/...h-catholic-church-since-1950-commission-finds

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18032240/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country
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He won't understand this but it's such a key way to point out his blatant and deep rooted racism towards Pakistanis.
 
robp135 said:
True but you can literally apply this to everything. I’m a taco for wearing a pair of Nike shorts today that were probably made by an exploited worker. I’m going to eat meat. It goes on.

I’d also argue that one of the biggest crimes of the grooming gang scandal is that it directly led to Robinsons rise to prominence. Had these crimes just been dealt with at the time he would be a nobody right now. That Question time back and forth.
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Well sort of, but you aren’t a prominent person on the internet trying to place those issues at the feet of a group of people you hate because they’re different from you. We all do things everyday which to some extent are morally ‘wrong’ I.e using a product that somewhere in the world harms animals or as you say wearing shorts made in sweat shops. What we don’t all do is go online and try and drive hate and division between groups of people based on us not liking them because of their skin colour or religion, but hide behind the idea that we are trying to solve a problem by doing it.

I think the second part is true in some ways, what I would say is, there’s always someone to fill the gap. There is always a hateful little racist ready to jump in and stamp their feet, and even more unfortunately, there’s always a lot of everyday people ready to line their pockets and believe their lies.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I think it's easy to observe that the grooming gangs is only one part of Tommy's wide ranging race hate portfolio.

He's a hypocrite of the highest order because not only (as mentioned) does he not say a peep about people within his own 'tent' committing similar crimes BUT also these crimes are commited against children and women who he professes to defend and protect as a matter of urgency.

None of it quite as urgent as shoving something up his hooter.
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I honestly think people who give him money for him only to prove he took it in bad faith are mentally ill.
 
Rafa87 said:
I think the second part is true in some ways, what I would say is, there’s always someone to fill the gap. There is always a hateful little racist ready to jump in and stamp their feet, and even more unfortunately, there’s always a lot of everyday people ready to line their pockets and believe their lies.
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Absolutely this

The world is now full of people monotising hate and filling social media with lies. Its a cottage industry
 
@robp135 for some reason, the reply button wouldn't capture your whole reply so pasted below with responses.




This is what I said about the Catholic priest sexual abuse cover up in this thread 2 weeks ago. I actively brought it up.

Fair play, that you did.


Stating that “Evil exists everywhere” is an over simplification which does not acknowledge that some crimes are more prominent within particular cultures.

However it's a truth. 'Evil exists everywhere' as a statement is a truth. Over-simplification? That depends on where a converstion goes next.


I am Catholic. I acknowledge that sexual abuse of young boys is more prominent among Catholic Priests than it is among Leaders of other Christian denominations and religions. This pattern exists across different countriees and continents. Of course that have been Vicors, Rabbis, Imans that commit this horrible crime. As well as teachers, youth workers, coaches etc.
But I acknowledge that this particular horrific crime is more prominent among Catholic priests and that is due to the culture within the church. Not only to in the crime actually happening but also in the cover up which plays a very significant role.

Fair.

If someone brings up a sexual abuse crime commited by a Catholic priest, I don’t immediately bring up an example of a Rabbi that has sexually abused someone to defend the church. I don’t say 99.99% of Catholic priests are good people that would never do such a thing. I completely acknowledge the failings on the church as an institution and of my own culture in this instance.

That is how you go about things.
Your way.
Which works for you and good on it. Having had an Irish mother who denounced the church and rebelled against her Magdalene Sisters-style schooling, I sort of understand a bit about the whole Catholic trip (albeit it is not much). The whole 'repression to abuse' cycle is clear to me. And I think in any religious situation, you could safely say that those patterns repeat and are passed on.




In the case of sexual abuse of young girls there are some demographics that over index. Pakistani men is one and it’s to significant degree. Failure to acknowledge that and the cultural and societal reasons that lead to Pakistani men over indexing in this type of crime, as well as continuously being on the defensive and pushing back on that being the case is problematic. As it would be if I did the equivalent for Catholic priests.

Which is a major point. This sort of approach is not applied in the same context with (say) Catholic priests.

As a Catholic, I have a greater responsibility to call out what happened than a non Catholic. That shouldnt be particularly controversial.

It's not necessarily controversial, however it is a personal choice. I am not sure too many people would agree. Why do you have a greater responsibility? I suppose if this is how you view matters, then sure, you'll expect the same from others.

That’s a big conversation that I have no issue discussing in deeper detail when I have more time.

But the short answer. As an institution it’s deeply rooted in secrecy, hierarchy and powerful male leadership. That’s not unique to the Catholic Church, but it’s on steroids.

It certainly is not unique to the Catholic Church, and sadly, I believe that all religions carry the same scars and burdens.
 
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