The ones that everyone on here at the very least acknowledges over indexed as Pakistani.
That would be very broard but in this context of this conversation about grooming gangs the people that attended each particular Mosque, the Pakistani people in each town or bourgh where these crimes took place and all British Pakistanis can be categorized as a collective community of different scales.
That does not make each individual responsible what what happened. Most of course are not. But they do hold a greater responsibility of determine why this type of crime was so prevalent within their community and identify whether there are any cultural reasons that led to it happening and being covered up to such a degree.
So if there is a rape gang activity in the town where I live, does that make me a part of a collective community that should be obliged to investigate why the community in which I live has produced such abominable people? Even though I have no idea how to go about such a random investigation, have no training or knowledge in that sphere, and frankly don’t feel I should have to investigate why or whether a group of white Essex men are culturally more likely to be involved in rape gangs than other men from other demographics. Or am I excused because being white doesn’t correlate to what you decide is a “collective community”?
Do you honestly believe that grooming of young girls (and likely boys as well) only happens in areas where there is a significant Pakistani population? Or can you admit that it happens nation-wide with all manner of protagonists? (Notwithstanding that there has been a gross dereliction of care and duty in those towns where Pakistani men were the protagonists).
I find it seriously worrying that there is so much focus on a particular number of towns (and of course there are valid reasons why that is a topic of conversation ) but this has the effect of ignoring the grooming that goes on across all races, religions and communities. No one that I have come across rejects the involvement of Pakistani men (of whatever generation) in the northern rape gangs. And no one disputes that there needs to be a full analysis of why it was allowed to happen. . But you seem to want the focus to be on Pakistani men and the Pakistani community (whatever that is) rather then on the fact that there are vulnerable individuals being groomed by all manner of men (and sometimes with the involvement of women, which is beyond my comprensión).
I read a tragic account the other day (wish I had bookmarked it) from a woman who was abused as a young teenager in care. Her abusers were white, male taxi drivers. She acknowledged that young girls were taken to towns like Bradford to be delivered to men (often of Pakistani origin) to be abused and she managed to extricate herself from that. But the point she was making was that the abuse started with these taxi drivers acting in some kind of unison to take advantage of these vulnerable girls. No one links that to ethnicity or religion.
We should never ever ignore that there have been men of Pakistani or regionally similar backgrounds whose victims were disgracefully ignored but these rape networks were and are a lot wider and that should equally be investigated. Your seeming obsession with expecting
@LutonSpurs to atone for a whole nationality or as you now frame it, “a community” is plain wrong and is once again targeting his heritage.
