robp135
Sebastien Bassong
Incorrect, as per usual.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Incorrect, as per usual.
robp135
Sebastien Bassong
The National Police Chiefs Council Anti Raciam guidelines state officers must “treat white suspects differently”. It explicitly states that “racial equity does not mean treating everyone equally”.
But we don’t have two tier policing?
Police anti-racism commitment 'gives the wrong impression', minister says
The Independent Office for Police Conduct's is reviewing a guidance document from the National Police Chiefs' Council.
www.bbc.com
Jurgen the German
George Hunt
The National Police Chiefs Council Anti Raciam guidelines state officers must “treat white suspects differently”. It explicitly states that “racial equity does not mean treating everyone equally”.
But we don’t have two tier policing?
Police anti-racism commitment 'gives the wrong impression', minister says
The Independent Office for Police Conduct's is reviewing a guidance document from the National Police Chiefs' Council.
Yeah that’s bonkers. We should strive for a colourblind society. Treat people by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin.
I also find Farage’s comments despicable and inflammatory. Trying to score political points from an 18 year old’s murder is scraping the barrel. Actions matter but words also matter at times like this where people want leadership and politicians to lower the temperature and read the room. Even ambiguity isn’t good enough, leaders need to be crystal clear and show compassion and condemn violence.
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
Understood mate, and it does get tricky deciphering the full context of anything in a social media-dominated world.
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
Sorry?
Are you suggesting that minorities have allowed themselves to be 'encouraged' to see everything in their life as a reflection of their 'place' on some 'racial pyramid of oppression'?
That is an outrageous comment mate. Outrageous. When my Dad was regularly being called a p a k i in the 70s (he was Persian LOL) I don't remember him 'reflecting' on his 'place' in this 'pyramid'? I DO remember much laughter over the fact that the average thick t wat could not differentiate between Persian or Pakistani!!!!!
The vast majority of human beings want the same things, top of which is to enjoy a peaceful life.
I am hopeful I have got the wrong end of what you're saying there.
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thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
The National Police Chiefs Council Anti Raciam guidelines state officers must “treat white suspects differently”. It explicitly states that “racial equity does not mean treating everyone equally”.
But we don’t have two tier policing?
Police anti-racism commitment 'gives the wrong impression', minister says
The Independent Office for Police Conduct's is reviewing a guidance document from the National Police Chiefs' Council.
I'm sorry, where does it say 'must treat white suspects differently'? You put it in quotations, did I miss it? Are we looking at two different documents???
Here's the full document/link. It's a little different in all reality...
https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteA...action-plan/police-anti-racism-commitment.pdf
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Baleforce
Terry Naylor
Yes it does work
In the UK.
I know how lucky I am to be a cis white male, doesn’t mean there isn’t lots of people who have had it easier than me, but that’s not the point, I’ve had it far easier than most.
99% of our PM’s have looked like me. Yes I’ve travelled a bit and yes of all the TV I’ve watched, most presenters have been white British men.
I won the fudging lottery being a white European male.
MartyFunkhouser
Garth Crooks
I dont think there was identity politics applied to minorities for a decade. I think minorities have been punched down at for 60 years in the UK because of their ethnicity and now there seems to be more balance in society people are being spun a rhetoric along the lines of "hey, remember those you were better than, well now they have as many rights as you, that's the issue" when it isnt anything near the cause of people's own issues.
Even the DEI stuff is rubbish, equality of opportunity isnt the same as equality of outcome
robp135
Sebastien Bassong
This is the document.
The exact quote.
Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’.
robp135
Sebastien Bassong
Yes. That is what I am suggesting.
robp135
Sebastien Bassong
99% of PM’s in your lifetime have not looked like you. Since Thatcher there have been 3 female PM’s and 1 was Asian. Ironically all Tories, who currently have a black female leader.
Here were the pundits for the 2022 World Cup on BBC.
You don't understand the difference between equity and equality or you are deliberately conflating the two rob. You also seem to think white working class people should be a protected class. Henry Novak wasn't white working class by all accords.
Police don't know someone is working class when they turn up. Lord.
Police don't know someone is working class when they turn up. Lord.
robp135
Sebastien Bassong
Tbh I was probably spell checked inxorrectly when typing quickly on my phone.
They made that assumption though. They thought he was a drunk yob Tommy Robinson supporter that had been racially assaulting someone and they fell for it hook, link and sinker based on their training to always beleive the accuser in these instances.
Spell checked what? Equity over equality? It changed the whole argument you make.
And how do you know what the police were thinking when they arrived. Your 2nd paragraph is literal emotionally driven conjecture.
You can make this about race.
Or it's an evil person and bad policing.
Its the latter.
robp135
Sebastien Bassong
Why can it not be all three?
They were not thinking. They were blindly following their training. Which is what I find so problematic.
WillWeEverBeGoodAgain
Johnny nice-tits
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
Oh dear.
Really?
What's your experience to make such pronouncements? When my father was getting racially abused on a regular basis, it was just that; he was getting abused. Being 'steered' to a 'place on a racial pyramid'? Bol-locks. He was simply getting called (as I've said erroneously) a p a k i. NOTHING to do with anything other than some thick c unt and the colour of my father's skin.
I would suggest that this is somewhat like shoes; unless you've actually spent a day in them, it's probably best not to assert opinions about the experience of wearing them.
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thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
So you have, in fact, placed in quotation marks a quote which doesn't exist.
What does exist is your interpretation. Which I have to presume is based on your general POV on the matter.
Here's mine, based on my general POV on the matter.
The police have been undergoing a more detailed education as to the various cultural differences and beliefs that can exist within nationalities and people. Put simply, just because 'they're the same colour' or even race, it does not mean they are 'all the same'. Let me simplify this further; it's sort of like when someone says 'they're African' and proceeds to list all the things that 'Africans are' when Africa is a continent containing 54 countries, each with their own distinctions and identities. Imagine treating all central white Europeans the same because of how they look? Sadly, that's the sort of institutional prejudice which exists.
The wording is unclear and non-specific, I would not disagree if you said that. And there are more than one set of meanings which can be extrapolated from them as a result. However do you honestly think the police are being trained to pick on white people more because of DEI initiatives? If you do, I am truly sorry because you're being sold a bill of false and shi-ty goods as a consequence of one very badly handled situation which saw an evil murderer lie, an innocent man die, and the police make several huge mistakes and show poor judgement. It's being used mate, and sadly, it looks like it's being used quite successfully (which is not only a shame but a huge disrespect to the victim's family).
Baleforce
Terry Naylor
I don’t get the point?
ricky2tricky4city
Jimmy Cantrell
Most people don't understand the difference (or potentially misread the word)