Next seasons squad

[Surfless]

Selling Richarlison and Solanke in the same window is risky but they both need to go as neither are reliable from a fitness standpoint and neither have the required quality we need.

We’ll have to agree to disagree about Romero, he’s been a part of a defence that has conceded circa 60 goals for four seasons in a row. Not to mention his poor disciplinary record and insistence on prioritising Argentina over Spurs.

We’ll also have to disagree on Tel. If he’s one of the best prospects in Europe then I fear for European football. If any of the current crop of forwards are starting for us next season then we’re going to be in trouble again.

My list of players to sell is partly wishful thinking but it doesn’t change the fact that we’re going to need the biggest clear-out we’ve likely seen at Spurs in the PL era.

Your whole basis for removing players seems driven by the performance of the side under managers with questionable tactics - Ange was never going to make Romero look good, any more than Frank was going to turn Solanke into a 25 goal a season man.

Solanke is capable under the right manager of getting goals. It's been shown before. His injuries have been limited to us and mainly this season so I fail to see how he can be grouped with Richie who is far more renowned for his injury issues. Either way he can't be sold, as he represents a home grown player, of a high standard, who when paired with a manager who works well with him, produces. That's guaranteed relegation mindset doing that.

If you can find me an instance of Romero prioritising the national side over us, that wasn't concocted by the media for a week when it's quiet, I'm all ears. He could have left last summer but stayed. He could have bailed in the madness that was the only player in the Argentina squad who didn't get a pay rise when they won the world cup. He could have not dragged us more or less single handedly to the first trophy in the recent history of the club. If you want to believe the rhetoric, feel free, but bear in mind that this is a media lead by Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher and ah Wazza Rooney. Hardly footballing brainiacs. You don't hear Linkeker saying anything negative about him...

Tel is on the cusp of getting it. Of understanding his role. Of course we could sell him, like we were about to sell Bale to Coventry for £5m. He's a kid with one full season in this league. Let him be managed by a guy who made Trossard, mitoma and MacAllister into top class forwards.

If you think we are clearing out then you're deluded mate. We will add four or five and lose a similar number, likely Vicario, Davies, Dragusin, Bissouma and Richie. The new faces will be aimed at improving the first 11 not being squad players, that is the difference I expect.

 

[Mikey10]

Reddit poll on what fans think re who to keep/sell/upgrade

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Agree with the sell list, but I’d also sell Porro, Bentancur, Austin and Spence.

Tel and Souza need loans.

 

[Mabspurs]

Your whole basis for removing players seems driven by the performance of the side under managers with questionable tactics - Ange was never going to make Romero look good, any more than Frank was going to turn Solanke into a 25 goal a season man.

Solanke is capable under the right manager of getting goals. It's been shown before. His injuries have been limited to us and mainly this season so I fail to see how he can be grouped with Richie who is far more renowned for his injury issues. Either way he can't be sold, as he represents a home grown player, of a high standard, who when paired with a manager who works well with him, produces. That's guaranteed relegation mindset doing that.

If you can find me an instance of Romero prioritising the national side over us, that wasn't concocted by the media for a week when it's quiet, I'm all ears. He could have left last summer but stayed. He could have bailed in the madness that was the only player in the Argentina squad who didn't get a pay rise when they won the world cup. He could have not dragged us more or less single handedly to the first trophy in the recent history of the club. If you want to believe the rhetoric, feel free, but bear in mind that this is a media lead by Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher and ah Wazza Rooney. Hardly footballing brainiacs. You don't hear Linkeker saying anything negative about him...

Tel is on the cusp of getting it. Of understanding his role. Of course we could sell him, like we were about to sell Bale to Coventry for £5m. He's a kid with one full season in this league. Let him be managed by a guy who made Trossard, mitoma and MacAllister into top class forwards.

If you think we are clearing out then you're deluded mate. We will add four or five and lose a similar number, likely Vicario, Davies, Dragusin, Bissouma and Richie. The new faces will be aimed at improving the first 11 not being squad players, that is the difference I expect.

I am in agreement except for Romero... just feel this is the time to part ways

 

[robp135]

Agree with the sell list, but I’d also sell Porro, Bentancur, Austin and Spence.

Tel and Souza need loans.

Bentancur is a mad shout.

 

[Mikey10]

Bentancur is a mad shout.

We need to be ruthless. This squad needs absolutely gutting. He doesn’t get in the midfield of any top 6 team.

 

[Surfless]

There's an awful lot of people on here kneejerking based on performances with poor coaching and tactics. We just got eleven points from seven games, coming from a position of no confidence, no creators, no home wins and no hope. With four or five players in key positions, signed to become first teamers not squad players, we will transform under a good coach. It may be 7/8th next season but it will be progressive and forward thinking football, with the best being wrung out of the likes of VDV, Madders, Kudus and Tel.

 

[Surfless]

We need to be ruthless. This squad needs absolutely gutting. He doesn’t get in the midfield of any top 6 team.

No we don't need to be ruthless. That is a guarantee of relegation. We need to be considered and buy quality, not go out and wholesale buy a new team. Our manager and saviour has just left one club that throws the baby out with the bathwater every season, if we want progress we need to build on the good bits of this squad, of which, with proper coaching, there's plenty.

 

[robp135]

We need to be ruthless. This squad needs absolutely gutting. He doesn’t get in the midfield of any top 6 team.

Sure but we’re also not signing 17 players. If Bentancur becomes a rotational player over the next 1-2 seasons that’s a good place to be in.

 

[robp135]

There's an awful lot of people on here kneejerking based on performances with poor coaching and tactics. We just got eleven points from seven games, coming from a position of no confidence, no creators, no home wins and no hope. With four or five players in key positions, signed to become first teamers not squad players, we will transform under a good coach. It may be 7/8th next season but it will be progressive and forward thinking football, with the best being wrung out of the likes of VDV, Madders, Kudus and Tel.

Big time. Walker, Rose, Dembele & Kane were all deemed to be not good enough prior to Poch joining.

 

[Bishop]

Even though Bruno has said he agreed personal terms and was coming until the Sporting chairman changed his mind at the last minute?

Why do some Spurs fans think they know more than Bruno Fernandes about this transfer?!

We agreed wages with Bruno we never agreed a fee with Sporting.

 

[Mikey10]

No we don't need to be ruthless. That is a guarantee of relegation. We need to be considered and buy quality, not go out and wholesale buy a new team. Our manager and saviour has just left one club that throws the baby out with the bathwater every season, if we want progress we need to build on the good bits of this squad, of which, with proper coaching, there's plenty.

Agreed. I’m not advocating buying a whole new team, and was largely agreeing with the list of those to be kept in the poll, which is relatively long, given we’ve finished just outside the relegation places for two years running.

We do need to get rid of those who have shown themselves to be average or unreliable (and, in Romero’s case, brain-dead) over a relatively long period. And we need to be ruthless in doing it.

For me, Bentancur is one, as was evidenced again in his poor performance against Chelsea a week ago.

It’s all about opinions though!

Edit: I’ve just noticed Solanke doesn’t appear at all on the list. He needs to go too.

 

[billyiddo]

There's an awful lot of people on here kneejerking based on performances with poor coaching and tactics. We just got eleven points from seven games, coming from a position of no confidence, no creators, no home wins and no hope. With four or five players in key positions, signed to become first teamers not squad players, we will transform under a good coach. It may be 7/8th next season but it will be progressive and forward thinking football, with the best being wrung out of the likes of VDV, Madders, Kudus and Tel.

2 seasons vs 7 games - I know which of those should be the kneejerk.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Your whole basis for removing players seems driven by the performance of the side under managers with questionable tactics - Ange was never going to make Romero look good, any more than Frank was going to turn Solanke into a 25 goal a season man.

Solanke is capable under the right manager of getting goals. It's been shown before. His injuries have been limited to us and mainly this season so I fail to see how he can be grouped with Richie who is far more renowned for his injury issues. Either way he can't be sold, as he represents a home grown player, of a high standard, who when paired with a manager who works well with him, produces. That's guaranteed relegation mindset doing that.

If you can find me an instance of Romero prioritising the national side over us, that wasn't concocted by the media for a week when it's quiet, I'm all ears. He could have left last summer but stayed. He could have bailed in the madness that was the only player in the Argentina squad who didn't get a pay rise when they won the world cup. He could have not dragged us more or less single handedly to the first trophy in the recent history of the club. If you want to believe the rhetoric, feel free, but bear in mind that this is a media lead by Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher and ah Wazza Rooney. Hardly footballing brainiacs. You don't hear Linkeker saying anything negative about him...

Tel is on the cusp of getting it. Of understanding his role. Of course we could sell him, like we were about to sell Bale to Coventry for £5m. He's a kid with one full season in this league. Let him be managed by a guy who made Trossard, mitoma and MacAllister into top class forwards.

If you think we are clearing out then you're deluded mate. We will add four or five and lose a similar number, likely Vicario, Davies, Dragusin, Bissouma and Richie. The new faces will be aimed at improving the first 11 not being squad players, that is the difference I expect.

My basis for wanting to sell Romero is simple: we have spent four consecutive seasons conceding around 60 goals or more. You don’t consistently ship that many goals purely because of bad coaching — at some point the players and the defensive core have to be held accountable as well.

Romero’s time at Spurs definitely hasn’t been all bad — for example, he was largely outstanding during the Europa League run last season. On his day, he’s a genuinely world-class defender.

But my issues with him are his discipline, availability, and inconsistency. He’s missed countless games for Spurs over the years, only to suddenly recover in time for Argentina qualifiers, and whether fair or not, that naturally frustrates supporters.

More importantly, while his peak level is elite, those performances haven’t been consistent enough. He has too many lapses in concentration, too many reckless moments, and too many off days for someone who’s supposed to be the leader of the defence.


I genuinely don’t know what more I can add about Tel. I’m sorry that I don’t rate him as highly as you do, but perhaps you can explain what exactly you think I’m missing?

RDZ has reportedly said he wants to move on nine players, and while nobody wants a repeat of the S Club 7 era after Bale left, you also don’t finish 17th in back-to-back seasons without there being a serious need for major squad changes.

I genuinely think some fans need a reality check when it comes to the quality of this squad. Too many players have been given the benefit of the doubt for too long despite the results and performances steadily declining.

People talk as though this squad is just one manager away from competing again, but the reality is we were 90 minutes away from relegation and potentially playing teams like Wrexham and Norwich next season. That should be setting alarm bells ringing for everyone.

 

[Ace Face]

I’m not sure that’s true.

For example, I think we scored 21 goals in our last 21 PL games under him. Hardly in scoring for fun territory.

Angeball was - and continues to be - a myth.

To his credit, his ability to sell it as fact to so many people is a serious achievement.

I don’t think it’s fair to pull stats from our initial injury crisis to prove a point.

21-22: 69 goals
22-23: 70
23-24: 74 (Ange)
24-25: 64 (Ange)
25-26: 48

If you deduct the 21 goals from his last 21 games, then we had 43 goals through the first 19 games of the 24-25 season. I think it’s safe to say that can be classed as “scoring for fun”.

And both seasons were without a certain CF who definitely would have raised those figures.

 

[Ace Face]

Blokes always injured

So guess he would be ideal for spurs.

He played 2,603 minutes in the PL for BHA this past season.

24-25: 28 starts
25-26: 19 starts.

Pair him with a developing backup (Tel) and job done. Outside of Doku he’s one of the best LWs in the PL plus has played for DeZerbi before. Only one year left on his contract too.

We could do a lot worse.

 

[billyiddo]

He played 2,603 minutes in the PL for BHA this past season.

24-25: 28 starts
25-26: 19 starts.

Pair him with a developing backup (Tel) and job done. Outside of Doku he’s one of the best LWs in the PL plus has played for DeZerbi before. Only one year left on his contract too.

We could do a lot worse.

You want to chose when to play your backup not be forced in to it because your first choice picks up a lot of injuries. Missing a third and then a half of games is a concerning injury record over 2 seasons.

 

[Ace Face]

You want to chose when to play your backup not be forced in to it because your first choice picks up a lot of injuries. Missing a third and then a half of games is a concerning injury record over 2 seasons.

Just read that he tore a hamstring tendon May 9th and will miss the WC. Shame for him as I think he is a terrific player.

I would like to see him in lilywhite if his recovery goes well. Super player.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Kane probably not a great analogy. Im dur Robertson isnt finished though. Class is permanent.

Yeah, about that, exhibit A. Mo Salah

 

[NaijaSpurs]

When your legs go, they go

 

[Gutter Boy]

When your legs go, they go

We saw it very vividly with Verts and Son. The former in particular it was incredibly sudden. Almost overnight he went from the best CB in the league, to just not being able to do it anymore