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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton, White Hart Lane, Sat April 18th, 5.30pm***

DubSpur said:
If Porro isn't in that narrow, then Danso steps back, and everyone is covered. VdV still has the player closest to him. Porro was the issue here.
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It seems obvious that Porro does not trust Danso in that scenario. There is also no excuse whatsoever for Muani, his cover on the right, to not spot the extra man and be there. He is watching.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Honestly, I think that performance should make all of us extremely angry. Not at the players, because they gave absolutely everything. But at the decisions that led us to this point.

We’ve been told for the last year that these players aren’t good enough, can’t play high intensity, aggressive, possession football. And they showed today that they could. Micky looked like a monster again. What a surprise! We’re playing a high line. Xavi looked like the player we thought we were signing because he actually had options around him. And overall, the team looked cohesive and more than capable of playing this way against a club fighting for the top 6.

I think it’s an absolute disgrace that it was allowed to get to this point, by deciding to implement a style that highlighted none of our players strengths, all in aid of some misguided attempt to reset the culture.
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Absolutely correct. Symptomatic of the disjointed decision making that’s been made by the club since we sacked Poch.

Thomas Frank, IMO, got the job because he showed he could outperform relative to his resources. No thought given to whether his style could succeed at a club chasing Europe (especially given the likes of Hodgson, Moyes and Nuno failed after similar moves),no thought given to the players at his disposal and whether they’d suit and embrace his style, no thought given to whether he succeeded at Brentford partly because of how well run they are. No, this was a fella who can get better results than he should with Brentford so that’ll translate to Tottenham.

That would almost be forgivable if we hadn’t been down this road before with Ramos, with AVB, with Mourinho and with Conte. All of them were brought in solely for what they had done in the game without much thought, seemingly, for what they’d need to be successful at Tottenham.

It’s mind boggling incompetence.
 
thfcsteff said:
Problems started before the mistake. We're not smart. Solanke has the ball two mins earlier, just head to the corner and shield the ball!
Palhina cannot, cannot, let Minteh get that ball across or away. Yes, Danso's mistake was awful but he is a limited player who is always heavy-footed and awkward when running onto balls/into moments like that; IF just does what he CAN do there (welly it) great. But fatigue will do that.
There's been a lot of naivety in that final 5 minutes which has led to the mistake. Let's face it, we got away with one a minute before on the back-post...
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The players gave everything and were clearly out on their feet. Xavi literally couldn’t walk. So I don’t blame any of the players even though it was a bad mistake from Danso. They gave everything they had and deserved to win.

Keep up the confidence, beat Wolves. And we have a chance. But I’m actually that this showed it was still possible to play this way. If we go down we should have too much for most other teams being drilled to play like this.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
The players gave everything and were clearly out on their feet. Xavi literally couldn’t walk. So I don’t blame any of the players even though it was a bad mistake from Danso. They gave everything they had and deserved to win.

Keep up the confidence, beat Wolves. And we have a chance. But I’m actually that this showed it was still possible to play this way. If we go down we should have too much for most other teams being drilled to play like this.
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Dialectic for me. They gave everything, I don't blame them, AND they have to be smarter in those final moments. Just head for the corner flag!!!
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Honestly, I think that performance should make all of us extremely angry. Not at the players, because they gave absolutely everything. But at the decisions that led us to this point.

We’ve been told for the last year that these players aren’t good enough, can’t play high intensity, aggressive, possession football. And they showed today that they could. Micky looked like a monster again. What a surprise! We’re playing a high line. Xavi looked like the player we thought we were signing because he actually had options around him. And overall, the team looked cohesive and more than capable of playing this way against a club fighting for the top 6.

I think it’s an absolute disgrace that it was allowed to get to this point, by deciding to implement a style that highlighted none of our players strengths, all in aid of some misguided attempt to reset the culture.
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Today was a positive for sure but don't go overboard just to make a point about Thomas Frank. We were not brilliant. Showed similar fragility as we have all season especially at the back and we didn't really create many clear chances on goal. I think with RDZ in place we are more likely to stay up. But if we do, he will still have his work cut out to get this team to be less fragile. Cutting out mistakes at the back will define how well we progress under this manager. There is a long way to go to get us to play consistently well too.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Absolutely correct. Symptomatic of the disjointed decision making that’s been made by the club since we sacked Poch.

Thomas Frank, IMO, got the job because he showed he could outperform relative to his resources. No thought given to whether his style could succeed at a club chasing Europe (especially given the likes of Hodgson, Moyes and Nuno failed after similar moves),no thought given to the players at his disposal and whether they’d suit and embrace his style, no thought given to whether he succeeded at Brentford partly because of how well run they are. No, this was a fella who can get better results than he should with Brentford so that’ll translate to Tottenham.

That would almost be forgivable if we hadn’t been down this road before with Ramos, with AVB, with Mourinho and with Conte. All of them were brought in solely for what they had done in the game without much thought, seemingly, for what they’d need to be successful at Tottenham.

It’s mind boggling incompetence.
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Yep, it’s a disgrace. And it was a disgrace to keep him long after it was clear the players weren’t buying in. All around insanity from people who, even if they aren’t football geniuses, could have prevented this at so many different points.

The really sad thing is, the whole thing last year was about the players becoming legends and getting their pictures on the walls. And now they may very well be the ones to take us down. It will completely tarnish the achievement of last season. They don’t deserve this. I’m extremely sad for them and the fans.

The idiots running this club though, I genuinely don’t think there’s been a worse fudge up, a more obvious complete headloss, relative to the resources of the team itself in football history. At so many points we could have not continued down this path. We had it in our hands. It wasn’t as if it was some unforeseen circumstance that forces us to react and created a negative cycle of decisions. No…it was just…incredibly stupid decision making from people that have the authority to make them.
 
Robspur12 said:
Today was a positive for sure but don't go overboard just to make a point about Thomas Frank. We were not brilliant. Showed similar fragility as we have all season especially at the back and we didn't really create many clear chances on goal. I think with RDZ in place we are more likely to stay up. But if we do, he will still have his work cut out to get this team to be less fragile. Cutting out mistakes at the back will define how well we progress under this manager. There is a long way to go to get us play consistently well too.
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Thomas Frank could have made many different decisions as manager of our club. He could have played more to the players’ strengths. He could have implemented a style of football more in keeping with the ethos of our club. He could have genuinely tried to build off of the culture and togetherness that the players forged through adversity last season.

But no, he for some insane reason had no level of self reflection, and just brought an arrogant perspective on how he needs to build this team in his image despite never having operated at this level before. He deserves all the criticism he gets IMO.

The goal we scored was as clear a chance as any. Xavi had a clear chance a moment later. We created plenty. Was this the sort of dominating bell to bell performance we would see under peak Poch? No. But I feel if not for the clear fatigue and cramp the players were suffering through, we would have seen that game out. We effectively finished with 10 men.

My point is not that today was some incredible performance in and of itself. It’s that if we played with this intent all season, we’d be no where near a relegation fight. The only reason the fan base has started to be so down on these players’ actual abilities is because they’ve been made to play like Brentford, not the top internationals they actually are, and unfortunately that’s on one man and the clowns who appointed and persisted with him.
 
DeanoAustin said:
We’re not down yet by a long shot. The margin for error has become finer but I love how RDZ is talking and acting, having Bentancur back is huge, Simons showed he can create for us.

We can still stay up. It’s just become a bit more nerve shredding but we’re still fighting.

Gut punch today but to quote Rocky Balboa, life isn’t about how hard you can hit, it’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.

The turn will come. Keep the faith.
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This performance was better than Sunderland but the defensive lapses are things that worry me. We cannot get the points we need if we keep conceding like we do. Hopefully RDZ can change that.
 
Zavod 311 said:
its not about trust. Porro is just low IQ and didn't know where to be
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Porro actually TRIES to inform his collegues that there's an issue.
At that point, Muani simply needs to be alive and move 5-6 yards to keep Mitoma honest. Not bothering. VdV is drifting. I'd say the defensive 'low IQ' issue is endemic. It is not down to one person.
 
Robspur12 said:
This performance was better than Sunderland but the defensive lapses are things that worry me. We cannot get the points we need if we keep conceding like we do. Hopefully RDZ can change that.
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Think that’s fair comment. Only thing I’ll say, and I didn’t see the first half, as good as Brighton were second half, Kinsky didn’t have to make any saves of note I can recall. Last week, he only had to make one. So we aren’t conceding lots of great chances. We’re defending a little better as a team. Key is, as you say, to cut out some of the mistakes.
 
thfcsteff said:
And who would you suggest then marks the man Porro ends up having to mark?
The issue starts because we get pulled around (Danso gets dragged across, VdV on no-one) and again just look at Muani's uselessness. No help whatsoever.

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Legohamster said:
Safe to say

The Tudor decision has completely and utter cost us staying up

2/3 points from the games he had and it's a completely different look.
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You could argue even sticking with Frank would have yielded more. He’d started to get a tune out of Simons (who proved tonight he is improving and has cutting edge which we lack) and it’s impossible to think he’d have gone 2 points from 8 games.
 
thfcsteff said:
And who would you suggest then marks the man Porro ends up having to mark?
The issue starts because we get pulled around (Danso gets dragged across, VdV on no-one) and again just look at Muani's uselessness. No help whatsoever.

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I actually said to my son it felt like Porro and Danso were trying to cover VDV coz they don't trust him. This here shows it... You can't trust him and Romero at the moment to actually stay switched on
 
parj said:
I actually said to my son it felt like Porro and Danso were trying to cover VDV coz they don't trust him. This here shows it... You can't trust him and Romero at the moment to actually stay switched on
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Indeed. I just think there are certain players who become the instant 'fault' for everything. Porro is one of them. It's lazy critiquing IMO...
 
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