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Well the clue is in the name, they are the only party along with the greens that want to really talk about serious reform of the country's economy, tax/benefits system etc. We have to talk about private funding of health care in this country in my book, just for example. We should be more aggressive in our competition with neighbouring countries for investment such as Ireland and Netherlands are with aggressive tax regimes. We need to be much stronger on immigration across multiple areas.

Their policies are not costed with any accuracy from my knowledge and no demographics based impact assessment of their "radical" ideas shows a utopia at the end. The only reason to support them is due to the irrational hate of migrants many have in my opinion. And it's entirely irrational. They are fudgein people.
 
As you say, much needs looking at in detail, and we are going to need some impressive people to push that, or any, reform forward.

Now I present to you the Reform party.
Yeah they've got the name but right....but please explain how any of the public facing/serving members are showing anything one would critique as impressive?

At least one a month is getting fired for doing/saying something unacceptable/horrible/stupid.

(There's even one fired by Nige today)
No different to the sh*tshow we had with the Tories and the sleaze we have with Labour. I refer back to my original post. I actually do think Farage is an impressive potential leader. He's pretty much managed to manipulate the key political outcome of his career in politics without ever holding high office.
 
Their policies are not costed with any accuracy from my knowledge and no demographics based impact assessment of their "radical" ideas shows a utopia at the end. The only reason to support them is due to the irrational hate of migrants many have in my opinion. And it's entirely irrational. They are fudgein people.
The idea of "costing" policies is complete baloney anyway. The country's finances don't work like a household budget. I don't know where this "costing" thing came from, but it is based on a woefully inaccurate concept of how to run an economy.
 
The idea of "costing" policies is complete baloney anyway. The country's finances don't work like a household budget. I don't know where this "costing" thing came from, but it is based on a woefully inaccurate concept of how to run an economy.

This is the worst answer I've ever had from someone who is essentially trying to justify an irrational position. Genuinely extraordinary BS levels.
 
As you say, much needs looking at in detail, and we are going to need some impressive people to push that, or any, reform forward.

Now I present to you the Reform party.
Yeah they've got the name but right....but please explain how any of the public facing/serving members are showing anything one would critique as impressive?

At least one a month is getting fired for doing/saying something unacceptable/horrible/stupid.

(There's even one fired by Nige today)

Full of bent contrary Tories and a party wanting a return to the old days.........but yeh, called Reform.

You can hoodwink the thick it seems

Reform will do well with idiots who get caught in the algorithm and believe Christmas is being renamed as a Winter Festival and Tesco no longer sell Easter Eggs
 
This is the worst answer I've ever had from someone who is essentially trying to justify an irrational position. Genuinely extraordinary BS levels.
Can't get away from the truth. Costing policies is gonads. You can't say that "raising this tax will raise this amount", because taxes disincentivise the activity being taxed. You can't say that tax cuts are unfunded as if it incentivises more of that activity you may (and often do) end up bringing in more revenue even at a lower tax rate. Manifesto costings are generally trashed within a few months of publishing and even the chancellor's budget tends to be f*cked within a few months, as Reeves has found with her fiscal headroom for her "rules" dissappearing quicker than a Reform candidate for a local council seat
 
No different to the sh*tshow we had with the Tories and the sleaze we have with Labour. I refer back to my original post. I actually do think Farage is an impressive potential leader. He's pretty much managed to manipulate the key political outcome of his career in politics without ever holding high office.
Yes well done Nige. It would be impressive if it was the right thing to do.
Even so....he's gonna need some help, and that's way off atm.
 
Yes well done Nige. It would be impressive if it was the right thing to do.
Even so....he's gonna need some help, and that's way off atm.
Dunno. Zia Yusuf is the real impressive one in Reform. He's a really clued up operator who knows economics, business and he's an excellent communicator. Reform haven't had the apparatus of major parties but they are receiving large donations now and are building their professionalism and experience. It isn't all about Nigel anymore.
 
Labour haven’t had the greatest start and I’m not convinced Starmer is cut out for cut throat politics (although I believe he is the right person to lead us through the brick show we are facing with Trump) but I am certain they are better than any alternative out there.
They are awful. And worst of all they are hurting the very people they are supposed to represent. ENI contribution uplift and raft of other market disincentives have raised unemployment particularly among young people and lower paid workers. Businesses are failing and closing down. Utterly clueless.
 
Labour haven’t had the greatest start and I’m not convinced Starmer is cut out for cut throat politics (although I believe he is the right person to lead us through the brick show we are facing with Trump) but I am certain they are better than any alternative out there.
I feel they could be so, so much better and are missing open goals regularly. In saying that, they do sometimes hit the target. Recent moves to further reintegrate with Europe are a no-brainer, moves that are thankfully finally getting traction. If you are not in Europe you are nothing. This is especially prudent in this current geopolitical landscape. IMO anyone voting for Reform is voting for Trump-lite policies and chaos ball IMO. Attempts to sell Reform as able custodians of the economy, or anything else, are so wide of the mark they might end up as throw-ins.

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