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Glenda's Legs said:
Using anything linked to John Cleese as an excuse/justification kind of re-enforces the point.
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What actually irritates me far more than anything here is him stepping down “due to his mental health”.

Stop using mental health as a card you play to try and gain sympathy and in the hope that the press will leave you alone. Completely trivialises all the people out there with true mental health issues who struggle to gain any sort of help.

Little reform boy doesn’t count, you don’t have issues with your mental health lad, you just need to grow up.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
So what’s going on with McSweeny’s “stolen” phone? Not up on all the details but it sounds just a tad of a dodgy convenience.
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Nothing screams they're all the same more than this type of story, I think Johnson claimed he'd lost his for the critical period of the covid inquiry.

Surely people at this level would have back ups turned on, about time this sort of thing was properly managed.
 
Sad state of affairs in the UK when a clown like Farage is the the leader of a party leading in the opinion polls . He is now accusing Manchester Police of a cover up, the Returning Officer made a good point why if these observers saw something wrong why didn't they report it to polling station staff at the time.
Maybe sour grapes has something to do with it ,Reform couldn't beat The Greens who want to rejoin the EU.

GMP said there was "no evidence to suggest any intent to influence or refrain a person from voting as stated in the Ballot Secrecy Act 2023" but Farage called it an "establishment whitewash".
He hit out at GMP's decision to close the probe, adding: "This isn't good enough.
"We need proper oversight, real accountability and the courage to admit when something isn't right, not another brushed-under-the-carpet report from the usual suspects."

www.bbc.co.uk

No evidence of 'family voting' in Gorton and Denton by-election

An investigation into alleged "family voting" finds no evidence of intent to influence voting.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
It sows the seeds of doubt and election fraud so that he can continue grifting when they don't win the next election .

He can then claim establishment conspiracy and ask his griftees to keep splurging, without having to shoulder responsibility.
 
Lost Mango said:
It sows the seeds of doubt and election fraud so that he can continue grifting when they don't win the next election .

He can then claim establishment conspiracy and ask his griftees to keep splurging, without having to shoulder responsibility.
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Wonder where we have heard it all before , Oh yeah the other circus clown currently in charge of the US.
 
SirPercyHotspur said:
Wonder where we have heard it all before , Oh yeah the other circus clown currently in charge of the US.
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Absolutely.

I honestly don't think Trump wanted to win first time round, he just wanted a decades worth of grit opportunity and being the never-returning-prodigal-son-that-would-right-all-the-wrongs but was prevented by the establishment from doing so.

Then he got in and started working out just what he could leverage from it.

Then it was a combination of absolute greed and asset stripping combining with staying out of prison.

Farage's worst case scenario is probably actually winning outright. Being significant in opposition gives him money, media coverage and no responsibility.
 
P.D. said:
Nothing screams they're all the same more than this type of story, I think Johnson claimed he'd lost his for the critical period of the covid inquiry.

Surely people at this level would have back ups turned on, about time this sort of thing was properly managed.
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I know what you are saying, but most people don't backup anything.

I've been in the IT industry for three decades, that message has never cut through to the general consumer.

Like you say regarding proper management, it is a much bigger issue that such communications are happening over WhatsApp in the first place, that is where the problem is, they should be in a corporate platform.
 
Baleforce said:
I know what you are saying, but most people don't backup anything.

I've been in the IT industry for three decades, that message has never cut through to the general consumer.

Like you say regarding proper management, it is a much bigger issue that such communications are happening over WhatsApp in the first place, that is where the problem is, they should be in a corporate platform.
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Back ups are turned on by default I believe - you'd hope politicians and senior staff are intelligent enough to leave them on and understand the importance of keeping records of their work.

It's just one big cover up, the public are being mugged off again - I agree if they can't manage whats app properly then they should insist on something else though I expect it's hard to enforce.
 
P.D. said:
Back ups are turned on by default I believe - you'd hope politicians and senior staff are intelligent enough to leave them on and understand the importance of keeping records of their work.

It's just one big cover up, the public are being mugged off again - I agree if they can't manage whats app properly then they should insist on something else though I expect it's hard to enforce.
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Backups on iOS rely on your iCloud storage, which for most people is the basic 5gb, easy to fill that with photos and not even notice.

WhatsApp can’t be managed at all. It should not be in use for government communication. I’d question the motives of anyone using it in such circumstances.
 
For the people who are supporting Reform. Do you really think they are for anyone other than themselves? I don't think they being any change other than more brutal austerity and more money for the most well off.

I also think people know this deep down but maybe it's their racism which makes them think eff it. If they suffer I don't care if I suffer. Mental.
 
LutonSpurs said:
For the people who are supporting Reform. Do you really think they are for anyone other than themselves? I don't think they being any change other than more brutal austerity and more money for the most well off.

I also think people know this deep down but maybe it's their racism which makes them think eff it. If they suffer I don't care if I suffer. Mental.
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They are in it mostly for themselves. As is any other politician. At the end of the day is a vote an endorsement of a party or a party leader, or a vote for the least worse option? For me we need to get rid of this horrific government. The tories had their chance and took the utter tinkle. The Lib Dems are completely meh I fundamentally disagree with a lot of what they and the greens have to say. Polanski in particular is completely whack. This is a guy that used to offer to use hypnotherapy to enlarge women's breasts.

You also have the constituency view. In my seat, i have never known Labour not to get elected. Reform are the only party that is capable of toppling them IN THIS SEAT.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I also think people know this deep down but maybe it's their racism which makes them think eff it. If they suffer I don't care if I suffer. Mental.
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Its their prejudice that draws them to Reform, no doubt. Only have to look at the historic views of their fans on here to pick a small sample size which points to that.

Reform, Reclaim and whatever that one Danish was cucking for...........all cut from the same cloth
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
They are in it mostly for themselves. As is any other politician. At the end of the day is a vote an endorsement of a party or a party leader, or a vote for the least worse option? For me we need to get rid of this horrific government. The tories had their chance and took the utter tinkle. The Lib Dems are completely meh I fundamentally disagree with a lot of what they and the greens have to say. Polanski in particular is completely whack. This is a guy that used to offer to use hypnotherapy to enlarge women's breasts.

You also have the constituency view. In my seat, i have never known Labour not to get elected. Reform are the only party that is capable of toppling them IN THIS SEAT.
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So you will vote for them based on what policies/benefits for you and your community? Reform is currently littered with ex Tory folk in case you thought they were not...
 
LutonSpurs said:
So you will vote for them based on what policies/benefits for you and your community? Reform is currently littered with ex Tory folk in case you thought they were not...
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Well the clue is in the name, they are the only party along with the greens that want to really talk about serious reform of the country's economy, tax/benefits system etc. We have to talk about private funding of health care in this country in my book, just for example. We should be more aggressive in our competition with neighbouring countries for investment such as Ireland and Netherlands are with aggressive tax regimes. We need to be much stronger on immigration across multiple areas.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Well the clue is in the name, they are the only party along with the greens that want to really talk about serious reform of the country's economy, tax/benefits system etc. We have to talk about private funding of health care in this country in my book, just for example. We should be more aggressive in our competition with neighbouring countries for investment such as Ireland and Netherlands are with aggressive tax regimes. We need to be much stronger on immigration across multiple areas.
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As you say, much needs looking at in detail, and we are going to need some impressive people to push that, or any, reform forward.

Now I present to you the Reform party.
Yeah they've got the name but right....but please explain how any of the public facing/serving members are showing anything one would critique as impressive?

At least one a month is getting fired for doing/saying something unacceptable/horrible/stupid.

(There's even one fired by Nige today)
 
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