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Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*

I’m gonna say it, I think giving him a highly paid five year contract that makes him commit to the long term project even if we go down, is one of the smartest decisions this club has made in a long time.

I think the players now can’t just wait this season out and hope someone else comes in or they get their move. And it feels like we are actually taking control of a situation. We’re not being held up at the mercy of events, we are making a strategic bet, and I respect that.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I haven't seen anyone say that on here?
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Me either. It's a black mark against him/I didn't want him as a result but that's as far as it goes. He's here now and I hope he does a good job and doesn't fluff his lines when up against a moral quandary when representing the club.

I also hope there's someone at the club that would step in if he had any similar characters to Greenwood on his shortlist (though with Vinai here we can't count on him for that)
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’m gonna say it, I think giving him a highly paid five year contract that makes him commit to the long term project even if we go down, is one of the smartest decisions this club has made in a long time.

I think the players now can’t just wait this season out and hope someone else comes in or they get their move. And it feels like we are actually taking control of a situation. We’re not being held up at the mercy of events, we are making a strategic bet, and I respect that.
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I thought I heard on talkbrick that he has a relegation release clause
 
Daisuk said:
I wonder how he'll approach these last 7 games. Is it straight into play out from the back-ball, or something more pragmatic? We really don't have the players to play like that, in my opinion.
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Which way? You've mentioned two styles?
Or do you mean we haven't the players either way?
 
billyiddo said:
Me either. It's a black mark against him/I didn't want him as a result but that's as far as it goes. He's here now and I hope he does a good job and doesn't fluff his lines when up against a moral quandary when representing the club.

I also hope there's someone at the club that would step in if he had any similar characters to Greenwood on his shortlist (though with Vinai here we can't count on him for that)
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Yeh, this is it.
 
Daisuk said:
I wonder how he'll approach these last 7 games. Is it straight into play out from the back-ball, or something more pragmatic? We really don't have the players to play like that, in my opinion.
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I don't think Brighton fans thought they had the players either. You will be surprised how good players are at the basics when they have to use them in a system that supports it. The key for me will be playing high energy players Vs the bigger names.
 
El Dante said:
its good that we have this next ten days off. So the Internationals can return and get working on tactics and dynamics.

I think Bergvall could be very suited to De Zerbi football.
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I think Sarr, Bergvall, Gray and Xavi will enjoy it. If them four get it going quickly then I think Tel, Porro and Spence will come alive.

The killer will be if the likes of Romero, Spence and Udogie think they can just jog back when defending.
 
parj said:
I think Sarr, Bergvall, Gray and Xavi will enjoy it. If them four get it going quickly then I think Tel, Porro and Spence will come alive.

The killer will be if the likes of Romero, Spence and Udogie think they can just jog back when defending.
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Conversely - Pahlinha, Dragusin and Vicario will be the ones who struggle with him due to their poor passing.

It will be interesting to see what he does with GK - we might even see Austin or Gunter, if they are the best with their feet
 
Gazza said:
I thought I heard on talkbrick that he has a relegation release clause
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I’m hoping the BBC is correct. In any case, I think if there was a clause, offering a 5 year contract at high wages to get him committed I think is smart. As long as we can stay up / get back up, there probably won’t be too many bigger jobs he will get. This locks him in. (Assuming there isn’t some shenanigans he can pull to get fired and earn the full pay out, I’m assuming we got some protections in there).

There’s definite questions as to why we didn’t have this foresight before hiring Tudor. But I like the strategic bet. We’re taking control of the situation, we’re allowing ourselves to plan come what may, accepting what is happening around us. It is strangely clarifying. This is what it is, this is the situation, so now we can move forward.

They should have just done this instead of hiring Tudor. We can say that with hindsight, but again the buck stops with the decision makers. At least we’ve now made our bet. Hopefully his intensity that you see in the video above can spark a reaction enough in the remaining games. But if not, I’m weirdly confident in the foresight of the club to lock a manager in, allow him to establish his foundations in the championship, and hopefully then be able to take on the Premier League from a position of strength, with his ideas fully bedded in and a team that is used to winning games.
 
Gazza said:
I thought I heard on talkbrick that he has a relegation release clause
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Seedy Ron said:
BBC says he doesn't
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It probably doesn't matter if he has or not, as long as the players believe there isn't one and they believe they are playing for a manager who will be their manager next season. That's the problem with an appointment like Tudors. Remember how Man Utd's form fell off when they thought Ferguson was retiring. He didn't make the same mistake when he finally retired.

I don't see why someone who sees themselves as a top manager would agree to a relegation clause. Presumably he's confident he can do the job. And the manager's wages aren't a major part on the clubs wage bill, so why would they add one? The club are saying they think he is the man for the long term and he is saying he can do the job, including avoiding relegation. Adding a relegation clause would be an unnecessary negativity.

That said, if we were relegated I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mutual agreement to part ways. RDZ because he wants to work at a higher level and the club because they can get a manager better suited to the Championship.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Its the fact that Gazzas life and conditions were allowed to feature in his story is where the privilege comes in my dear friend. This isn't about Gazza himself persay or Mason. It's how the media frames people and how the fans are then able to find ways not to hate their heroes or hate them.

This is one for me and you to discuss over a beer next time we meet up my brother
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Oh I get that perspective.

I do think in Gazza's case the era of media was helpful in that regard; no socials, etc, lad culture alive and kicking hard for the fences (Loaded, FHM)...the truth is someone needed to get him help much earlier and maybe others wouldn't have suffered. Again, this is not in mitigation, but the fact is someone with mental health crisis is wholly unstable. Again, I understand this is not the point you were making, which is a larger discussion.

I do not know if Greenwood has systemic mental health issues. If he has, whilst not mitigating his actions it would at least partially explain why they might have occurred.

What I think is worth noting is that he came from a very stable and supportive family background and was at United from the age of 7.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Should have done this for the January window and brought in far more than Gallagher and a 19 year old left back given the injury sutuation....penny pinching and "just want to give this flailing Frank toxic sh*tshow more time to see if he miraculously stops playing the football he's played his entire career" has got us in this situation. Penny wise = pound poor if we go down
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Absolutely (given this was apparently their end game). I agree with you 100%
 
carl said:
He may well be a wan ker, a lot of managers are but plenty of players who have played for him have praised him. I still stand by my opinion that to judge him on his comments regarding Greenwood is harsh.

As things stand at this moment in time, I don't see a better alternative
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He's here now so onwards my friend, hopefully no damage and all upside!
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’m hoping the BBC is correct. In any case, I think if there was a clause, offering a 5 year contract at high wages to get him committed I think is smart. As long as we can stay up / get back up, there probably won’t be too many bigger jobs he will get. This locks him in. (Assuming there isn’t some shenanigans he can pull to get fired and earn the full pay out, I’m assuming we got some protections in there).

There’s definite questions as to why we didn’t have this foresight before hiring Tudor. But I like the strategic bet. We’re taking control of the situation, we’re allowing ourselves to plan come what may, accepting what is happening around us. It is strangely clarifying. This is what it is, this is the situation, so now we can move forward.

They should have just done this instead of hiring Tudor. We can say that with hindsight, but again the buck stops with the decision makers. At least we’ve now made our bet. Hopefully his intensity that you see in the video above can spark a reaction enough in the remaining games. But if not, I’m weirdly confident in the foresight of the club to lock a manager in, allow him to establish his foundations in the championship, and hopefully then be able to take on the Premier League from a position of strength, with his ideas fully bedded in and a team that is used to winning games.
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No relegation release clause according to talksport a few minutes ago.
 
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