Something needed to change at half time, despite being on top we didn't create anything of note and were in need of at least 2 goals in the next 45
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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***
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Something needed to change at half time, despite being on top we didn't create anything of note and were in need of at least 2 goals in the next 45
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
The subs were odd though
An unfit Destiny for example
Can’t understand how when we needed creativity we kind of went more stodgy in the subs
Mikey10
Les Ferdinand
Xavi came on against a tiring side and still did nothing though.
We don't have any real creativity, other than those players who have been out all season with long-term injuries.
We were on top and had them under pressure with a lot of set pieces. The changes were panic changes, far too early reacting like that. Bergvall coming on removed any width down the right. If it was more creativity that was needed then Xavi was the player to bring on.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
He was also coming in to a side that wasn’t functioning either (to use comparables)
The subs were panic moments and imo mistakes
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
Yeh there is a point where players have to show up and take some of this up by the scruff of the neck. They all to a man seem to be hiding. Yeh alot is on selections and coaching, but not a single player bar Gray and Richy are showing any guts or drive.
I would have bought on Xavi & Muani but I doubt it would have changed anything.
I've got little appetite to go after managerial decisions when the problem is clearly with the players.
spurspinter1
John Lacy
Where I was sat, the atmosphere was great and nobody was calling out individual players until maybe 70 minutes in, those properly angry folk left soonish after whilst everyone else just sort of watched it unfold whilst disassociating.
Not bad in the 1st half but we time our lapses spectacularly well, if the intention was to deflate hope. Teams don't have to be brilliant against us, just be patient, and with light poking and prodding that'll be enough for us to fall apart. I'm not 100% certain, nobody can be but seeing it with my own eyes made a good case for us going down. We'll deserve it too at this rate.
Not bad in the 1st half but we time our lapses spectacularly well, if the intention was to deflate hope. Teams don't have to be brilliant against us, just be patient, and with light poking and prodding that'll be enough for us to fall apart. I'm not 100% certain, nobody can be but seeing it with my own eyes made a good case for us going down. We'll deserve it too at this rate.
elyid
Jermaine Jenas
That’s the huge worry for me. If you watch us for 5-10 minutes in isolation we don’t look that bad and can see some improvement in passing/desire etc.
However, we have two absolutely huge flaws that no other clubs really have. Firstly, we concede such soft goals that the opposition just need to be organised and patient and they will score 1-2 goals against us. Secondly, we get into good positions but most of the time dont even create a chance. Or, if we finally get good chances we mess them up. Our “good positions” to goals ratio must be the lowest in the league.
This was seen perfectly in the Atletico Madrid match (Tel doesn’t square it, they score from a near post corner with nobody marking. And the away match, Richy missed, they score 20 seconds later). No matter how well we play, this is like a 2-0 handicap in most matches.
These two things alone mean we are in big trouble… and they’re extremely difficult to fix. Think the only hope is a manager who plays the simplest formation possible, defenders stay back and defend and hope the attackers can nick a goal.
Santini did this when he first came in and it was certainly boring, but we improved then and we need something like this now… maybe Redknapp wouldn’t be too bad even.
Managerial decisions compounding the problems with players doesn't help.
Sorry to truncate your post so much but I’m not even convinced changing manager now will save us (although we absolutely should try it). I think our only hope is West Ham being worse than us (but they at least have some fight in them) or we somehow snag a couple of points somewhere and Forest or Leeds slip down and can’t get out.
Yesterday was a bit of a sledgehammer moment for me. Whilst always acknowledging that the risk of relegation was real, I could never let myself believe it might actually happen (if that contradiction makes sense!).
Our survival is still in our hands, just, but it’s going to be a bloody hard ask and can we trust those hands?
Edit - bad phrasing as our players would probably take that as an instruction to handle the ball and we’d end up not being able to field a team.
DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
In hindsight, the changes proved to be wrong. However, I certainly didn’t call it at the time. We didn’t create much first half and we were one down despite being the better side.
How often have fans said “the manager is afraid to make changes” when we’re losing. Poch was hit with that a lot as I recall and he wasn’t the only one. I’ve also heard pretty much every fan plead for a back 4 which is what we went to second half. He rolled the dice – if it comes off, he’s a genius. If it backfires, he’s panicked.
Personally, I didn’t have a major issue with the changes at the time. I was surprised by Spence but Micky looked well off it for whatever reason. However, managers get judged by outcomes and you’d have to say the subs didn’t help us.
monkeybarry
Nayim
We'll win again before the end of the season.
Once, maybe twice.
But I don't think it'll be enough.
DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
Yeah that is the problem with my theory. We are running out of time. We need a win soon before it’s too late. No use beating Everton last game if we don’t win before then.
Knowing us, we’ll probably win at Stamford Bridge for our only 3 points but be relegated by then anyway.
The situation isn’t lost by any means but it is dire.
Muttley
Dean Austin
I'm not sure about the line-ups but Forest played a day later and went all the way to penalties. We had our natural exclusions that were unavailable on Weds but available at the weekend. I'm not certain why there was such a big differential in 2nd half fitness to be fair.
What is logical though is that guys like Kudus can slot into this 4-4-2 structure. Perhaps we can start games that way and evolve the shape as Madds, Kudus and hopefully Kulu become available.
Out of all of our players, I'm sensing Solanke needs the break rather than being in the international squad. He looks a shadow of the guy that joined us.
monkeybarry
Nayim
Exactly
It's what I've been trying to get across with people taking bits of positives from Performances - it's irrelevant at this point; results are the only thing that matter.
I don't care if pump the ball to the big man up front for 7 games if it means we get the points needed.
We can reset the performance style in the summer - the next 7 games results decide if that's Vs Saudi Sportswashing Machine or Norwich.
ricky2tricky4city
Paul Stewart
Solanke looks to me like a player that will have trouble walking by the time he's 50years old
Mikey10
Les Ferdinand
Looking at him yesterday I think he’s already there.
braineclipse
Vic Buckingham
According to the commentators they made 9 changes to the starting lineup from their European game to the game against us IIRC.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
As you’ve alluded to elsewhere, I think a lot is going to come out about this season that will ‘explain’ a lot of the weirdness we’re seeing. It won’t justify it all, but it will start to make more sense. Like dropping Vicario looked questionable and they didn’t say it was because he was playing in pain at the time, but it made sense that they would take him out and give Kinsky a run in a game that mattered less, relatively speaking.
And think we’ll eventually learn that yesterday, VDV was injured for example. I thought he looked well off it, was beaten for pace when he never should be, and really should have been capable of bringing the dynamism they were seeking to the left hand side.
Not sure about Spece and clearly overall the subs didn’t help, but I suspect Tudor’s hand was forced in some way. The players though looked absolutely frozen before their second, and I’m not why they mentally got to that place after a solid first half.