MrScottSpur
Sean Davis
We have just lost 3 fudging nil at home there is joe excuse for this shower of brick
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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***
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DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
Didn’t he get relegated in his first season?
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
No.
There is NOTHING 'ridiculous' about trying to nurture further hope out of a moment of positivity.
You're mistakenly thinking about these moments as being about 'logic only', in which case what is the point of even showing up, because the statistics tell us we are going to go and go with not even a whimper.
So are you saying it is 'ridiculous' to try and seize on the momentum of a precious win at home?
IF you are saying that, well I suppose that's this conversation done my friend and good luck to you, because with 21 points left to play for, I prefer to look at what's ahead because it is the only thing we have any hope of controlling as a football club, and for me personally, that means believing until there is no mathematical point in believing.
p.s. yes yes I understand the difference in competitions, game states, etc. See above!
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
Agree. It is a woefully imbalanced squad which has been shorn and shorn again of confidence. I still believe it is better than it is showing.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
The fans were exceptional
The players weren’t
Silly McSilly Face
Kasey Keller
Only with Maddison and Kulusevski in there, but how fit and sharp they will be if they appear this season who knows. I think VDV looks like he has lost half a yard. These serious injuries take their toll. We have had rafts of them. Bentancur another that is a shadow of the player that first joined.
Sandman
Mitchell Thomas
After calming down a bit this is how I feel.
Was it a 3-0 game? no. First half we played well had them on the rack a little and 8 corners. When they got their 1 you just knew the football GHod were going to kick us.
Porro got so done for that second and their heads sank. Forest might be low in the league but they know how to defend and its scoring that is their issue. Third goal was almost a non issue. The stuffing was well and truly knocked out of us.
Things we need to keep right now.
Spence is a better defender than Porro. VDV is more fit that Udogie. We should try to keep a solid unit for a while. I would stay with what we started with today.
Sarr has energy but looks scared. But I would keep him in the middle with Gray. Stick with Porro and Tel out wide as they actually give us some width and our best chances came from our wide play.
Through the middle. I dont get what he is trying to do with solanke And richy. Richy is up for the fight. Solanke does not look like it. He is not used to playing in a pair at all. But with some wide play maybe it will work.
We need a spark from somwhere desperately. To take the Ffffing lead would be nice for once. But a somewhat solid back four and hope that Kudus can come back. I would honestly give him a free role and take out Solanke and let him attack where ever he wants.
Gutted.
Was it a 3-0 game? no. First half we played well had them on the rack a little and 8 corners. When they got their 1 you just knew the football GHod were going to kick us.
Porro got so done for that second and their heads sank. Forest might be low in the league but they know how to defend and its scoring that is their issue. Third goal was almost a non issue. The stuffing was well and truly knocked out of us.
Things we need to keep right now.
Spence is a better defender than Porro. VDV is more fit that Udogie. We should try to keep a solid unit for a while. I would stay with what we started with today.
Sarr has energy but looks scared. But I would keep him in the middle with Gray. Stick with Porro and Tel out wide as they actually give us some width and our best chances came from our wide play.
Through the middle. I dont get what he is trying to do with solanke And richy. Richy is up for the fight. Solanke does not look like it. He is not used to playing in a pair at all. But with some wide play maybe it will work.
We need a spark from somwhere desperately. To take the Ffffing lead would be nice for once. But a somewhat solid back four and hope that Kudus can come back. I would honestly give him a free role and take out Solanke and let him attack where ever he wants.
Gutted.
Kandi1977
Teddy Sheringham
Yeah, and so are we.
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
I took some time after the game before dropping in...wanted to change my scenery...took the dog on a long beach walk (photo enclosed)...tried to process what I watched. I'll share my thoughts in the interests of conversation (if anyone has any left in them!!!)...I will avoid comment on the non-penalty shove on Romero and the fact Sangere should not have been on the pitch beyond 60 mins IMO he got away with several yelow card non-yellows...
1) I am surprised Tudor shuffled the way he did. Simplicity is the key for this side, especially in defensive structure. I therefore did not understand VdV at LB. Why would you not start with Porro/Romero/VdV/Spence?
2) I was surprised Tudor did not accommodate Xavi. He would've has some change out of that large Forest defence if playing off Solanke IMO.
3) Obviously I have no clue what happened at HT. I have arrived at my own personal conclusion that Tudor shat himself and 'went early' with 'panic changes'. There was no real need to make the change at HT. You would surely be served better by waiting 10-15 minutes to see the second-half game pattern, especially as you ended the half nearly scoring, this AFTER conceding the sucker punch goal. The changes brought FURTHER disruption not only to the defence, but also unnecessarily shuffled the midfield, to the point I am not sure players really knew exactly what they were meant to be doing. We looked clueless second-half, totally unaware of where to be and what to do.
4) Looking for scraps of logic, or logical conclusion, from this game are increasingly futile. Logic will have little role in whether we make it or not IMO.
5) We need to bin this match off as fast as possible, genuinely forget about it.
Whatever lessons there are to be learnt are not new, they're the same lessons we have not been learning from (management or players) all season. I said a few weeks back we are in a mini-season where it is simply about each match. And the next match is Sunderland away. Where we have to keep our shape simple, our intent and hunger high, and not make mistakes. We have to HOPE that some of the lessons we haven't been learning suddenly DO drop into place, but so far as using today's match and result as THE barometer of 'what will happen', we cannot because the FACT remains we STILL control our own fate.
I get wearier by the minute of people constantly telling me what is going to happen in life. I understand that there are trends and signals, but there is no definitive unless mathematically so. If life were that predictable then there'd be no point living it.
So I always see it as fear of a sorts. Trying to control a destiny we have no control over.
We have no control over this other than the hope we can feel, the faith we can muster, and the belief we can carry. The ONLY reason you wouldn't do that (IMO) is because you're afraid of the pain failed hope can bring.
And somehow we're lingering around 'to dare is to do'.
I dare to keep believing knowing there might be great pain ahead.
What do YOU choose to do? Again, I'm not talking about logic, so if this more esoteric stuff is not your jam, let's respectfully keep ourn distance because lawd knows I am keenly aware of how sh it we've been this season, and probabilities too.
So. Three weeks off. We go again. COYS. And here's my glorious hound, every nearly-15-years of her!
1) I am surprised Tudor shuffled the way he did. Simplicity is the key for this side, especially in defensive structure. I therefore did not understand VdV at LB. Why would you not start with Porro/Romero/VdV/Spence?
2) I was surprised Tudor did not accommodate Xavi. He would've has some change out of that large Forest defence if playing off Solanke IMO.
3) Obviously I have no clue what happened at HT. I have arrived at my own personal conclusion that Tudor shat himself and 'went early' with 'panic changes'. There was no real need to make the change at HT. You would surely be served better by waiting 10-15 minutes to see the second-half game pattern, especially as you ended the half nearly scoring, this AFTER conceding the sucker punch goal. The changes brought FURTHER disruption not only to the defence, but also unnecessarily shuffled the midfield, to the point I am not sure players really knew exactly what they were meant to be doing. We looked clueless second-half, totally unaware of where to be and what to do.
4) Looking for scraps of logic, or logical conclusion, from this game are increasingly futile. Logic will have little role in whether we make it or not IMO.
5) We need to bin this match off as fast as possible, genuinely forget about it.
Whatever lessons there are to be learnt are not new, they're the same lessons we have not been learning from (management or players) all season. I said a few weeks back we are in a mini-season where it is simply about each match. And the next match is Sunderland away. Where we have to keep our shape simple, our intent and hunger high, and not make mistakes. We have to HOPE that some of the lessons we haven't been learning suddenly DO drop into place, but so far as using today's match and result as THE barometer of 'what will happen', we cannot because the FACT remains we STILL control our own fate.
I get wearier by the minute of people constantly telling me what is going to happen in life. I understand that there are trends and signals, but there is no definitive unless mathematically so. If life were that predictable then there'd be no point living it.
So I always see it as fear of a sorts. Trying to control a destiny we have no control over.
We have no control over this other than the hope we can feel, the faith we can muster, and the belief we can carry. The ONLY reason you wouldn't do that (IMO) is because you're afraid of the pain failed hope can bring.
And somehow we're lingering around 'to dare is to do'.
I dare to keep believing knowing there might be great pain ahead.
What do YOU choose to do? Again, I'm not talking about logic, so if this more esoteric stuff is not your jam, let's respectfully keep ourn distance because lawd knows I am keenly aware of how sh it we've been this season, and probabilities too.
So. Three weeks off. We go again. COYS. And here's my glorious hound, every nearly-15-years of her!
balesleftboot
Steven Caulker
Lovely dog mate. They're excellent at taking us out of a bad mood aren't they?
And it must be lovely living near a beach when you support Spurs. Somewhere to easily take yourself into a better headspace!
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
Thank you my friend, yes she is, a glorious, glorious hound and you are on point, I just got the fudge out of here with the missus, we soaked up the doggie-beach vibes and I worked on my (quite impressive if I may so) tan!
Onwards, I mean lingering too much on this is not going to do my health any good at all!!!!
ricky2tricky4city
Paul Stewart
Ive said before....
THANK fudge we haven't got West Ham to play.!
monkeybarry
Nayim
It's the like the scene in Fawlty Towers when the two old ladies are eating a terrible meal.
"Oh, there's a nice bit".
One small piece of good meat in a badly cooked steak isn't a sign that the chef knows how to cook a steak.
Professional footballers will do good things on occasion, even when they're not good enough.
Mbulelo Mabizela - what a goal!! Absolute top drawer. The rest.....
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Sandman
Mitchell Thomas
Was a great goal hahah and we lost that game. Stalteri scored a rocket as well.
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
We won 2-1. Him (his name is Mabizela for the record) and Kanoute.
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Welshspur60
Jamie Redknapp
Cant see where any points will come from. Ive been of this opinion for a long time now. We are easily the worse team in the league. No fight, no skill, no coaching. Pathetic again. We deserve to go down and it will be the kick up the arse we've needed for years. Hopefully new owners and a new structure from top to bottom.
I`ve said it many times on this forum that I am a pessimist when it comes to Tottenham. I have supported them for so many years and am resigned to expect failure all the time and that has been the case for the last 50 years with the exception of a few fine cup wins. I pretty much gave up any thought of witnessing us win the title again many years ago. When we moved to the new stadium I thought it was going to propel us into competing with all the other money doped clubs in the Prem, but oh no it has been a downhill slide ever since we reached the Champions League final in 2019. I`m still living with the hope that like last season there are 3 other clubs that are actually worse than us this season and we will stay up but our form suggests otherwise.
I wont give up the hope until it is mathematically impossible for us to survive but I will not be betting my house on it.
I can`t be the only one but I could have written the script today. We played ok in the first half but 8 corners and nothing. They get their first corner in the 44th minute and I said to the boys watch them score and they did. I think even the most positive among us knew that we had a mountain to climb after that. We got rid of Frank but did we get the new manager bounce that every other club seems to get? Oh no it has been the same old same old. And why after the positive performance against Atletico would you change the starting line up. I suppose I could understand why he didn`t start Simons against Anderson, but the subs at half time made no sense to me at all, there really are no positives to rake from this season at all. And anyone thinking having Kudus back will change anything are far less pessimistic than me. Another bang average player that we paid over the odds for. I truly hope he comes back and proves me wrong but as I said I`m not betting my house on it
I wont give up the hope until it is mathematically impossible for us to survive but I will not be betting my house on it.
I can`t be the only one but I could have written the script today. We played ok in the first half but 8 corners and nothing. They get their first corner in the 44th minute and I said to the boys watch them score and they did. I think even the most positive among us knew that we had a mountain to climb after that. We got rid of Frank but did we get the new manager bounce that every other club seems to get? Oh no it has been the same old same old. And why after the positive performance against Atletico would you change the starting line up. I suppose I could understand why he didn`t start Simons against Anderson, but the subs at half time made no sense to me at all, there really are no positives to rake from this season at all. And anyone thinking having Kudus back will change anything are far less pessimistic than me. Another bang average player that we paid over the odds for. I truly hope he comes back and proves me wrong but as I said I`m not betting my house on it
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
I'd written a long reply but there's no point.
As Reginald Perrin once famously said at Billbury Hall, "I know what I don't know."
And what I know that I don't know in this case, is whether we will ever find common ground on your extreme opinion.
Probably not worth going any further trying to find out.
Have a good one, and try the fish next time, it's the right plaice to go...
monkeybarry
Nayim
It was beautiful! I was right behind at the other end of the stadium.
If I remember correctly Kanoute scored a beauty - I missed it because I was taking a tinkle
I'm loving everyone correcting my typo of his last name.... but no one noticed I misspelled his first name!!