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Igor the Interim

DeanoAustin said:
It really does feel increasingly like a perfect storm that is going to swallow us. We are as far from united as we can be and you can’t get out of a relegation scrap without being together.

I remember 1994 and 1998 and this feels potentially worse because we have much bigger problems off the pitch than we had then in many ways.

fudge me, I feel depressed about Spurs at the moment. Someone give me something to hold on to.
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West Ham fans a couple of months ago were talking about how they couldn't seen them winning another game all season and had gone 10 without a win. Then they win against us, and have looked forwards ever since. Things change quickly in football, even after this extremely poor run we are still not in the bottom 3. We will go on a run at some point in the near future, I'm convinced of it no matter how bad we look right now and will be getting a few players back over the next few weeks.

And most importantly, you have your health (I hope!) and loved ones. There are far more important things than football, learnt that a long time ago....
 
DeanoAustin said:
The case for the prosecution here was that Tudor was pleading with him to push up and VdV looked at him with disdain and didn’t do it. It wasn’t anything complicated he was allegedly being asked to do.

I’m not sure if that interpretation of events is correct. It’s hard to know and sometimes clips like that can be difficult to judge in isolation. In situations where emotions are running high, I guess people will make of it what they want to (potentially including me).

Be interesting to hear what Tudor has to say when he’s asked this week. He doesn’t strike me as the type to flimflam an answer.
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I'm pretty sure part of the exchange was vdV gestured towards Palhinha and basically cautioned to Tudor that they couldn't play higher the way he was already struggling with the line. I don't think it was disobedient, it was bringing a different perspective to the discussion
 
Bishop said:
Dragusin looked good? When? These concerns were always there. The excuse that he might look better under a box defending coach like Frank was even made. Dragusin is what he is, his limitations are what they are.
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I said he has looked better rather than good, which is true, based on my previous observations. He's definitely limited with the ball at his feet, but at either the last Euros or last WC he looked decent for Romania. A classic put your body on the line type defender. Certainly not as bad as he has looked since coming back into the team. And it's not just his technical ability that has been a concern but also his inability to react to changing situations around him.

It makes me wonder if there is any lasting psychological effects from the serious injury and long lay off that followed. It may just be that he needs to play himself back into form, of course.
 
DeanoAustin said:
It really does feel increasingly like a perfect storm that is going to swallow us. We are as far from united as we can be and you can’t get out of a relegation scrap without being together.

I remember 1994 and 1998 and this feels potentially worse because we have much bigger problems off the pitch than we had then in many ways.

fudge me, I feel depressed about Spurs at the moment. Someone give me something to hold on to.
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I'm thinking the same. More importantly, back then, the teams around us were much, much worse. Real minnows. And we had quality players like Ginola, Klinsmann. We were extremely poor at the back, but we had it within ourselves to win matches. Now? Not so sure...

I'd go so far as to say that these teams tinkle all over what we have now, even more so if you take the injured players out of the equation. And Leeds, Wet Spam and Forest are much stronger than Everton, Barnsley and Bolton were. Can't see us scoring more than 40 points this time, so we have to hope the rest of the relegation fodder fare even worse.
 
Remaining games:

Us:
Fulham (a), Palace (h), Liverpool (a), Forest (h), Sunderland (a), Brighton (h), Wolves (a), Villa (a), Leeds (h), Chelsea (a), Everton (h).

West Ham:
Liverpool (a), Fulham (a), City (h), Villa (a), Wolves (h), Palace (a), Everton (h), Brentford (a), Arsenal (h), Saudi Sportswashing Machine (a), Leeds (h).

Forest:
Brighton (a), City (a), Fulham (h), Spurs (a), Villa (h), Burnley (h), Sunderland (a), Chelsea (a), Saudi Sportswashing Machine (h).

West Hm still have an FA Cup distraction, us, a CL one, and Forest are still in the Europa or ECL (can’t remember now).
 
This is the clip. I think far too much is being made of this personally unless I have the wrong clip:

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Seems like VdV could be the latest spacegoat people want to write off as a Big Time Charlie.
 
DeanoAustin said:
This is the clip. I think far too much is being made of this personally unless I have the wrong clip:

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Seems like VdV could be the latest spacegoat people want to write off as a Big Time Charlie.
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He's not even looking at VDV, he's talking to Dragusin and potentially about the previous action. It's nonsense.
 
Benny_Lad said:
He's not even looking at VDV, he's talking to Dragusin and potentially about the previous action. It's nonsense.
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I agree. Having watched that back, I can't see what the fuss is about. There's nothing there that suggest VdV is ignoring Tudor for me.

There's a narrative developing around VdV, probably based on his comments around Ange and snubbing Frank after Chelsea, that this plays into. I believe it's unfair and I don't see what some people are seeing in this clip (assuming I have the right clip).
 
Robspur12 said:
This is not all on Frank although undoubtedly he has to shoulder some of the blane. We've been really poor in the league now for 2 seasons. Injuries have definitely not helped but we look all over the place defensively now which is a worry. Dragusin is not match fit after that long lay off. He looked better before the injury imho.
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Good job I didn’t say it was on Frank 😉
Although you can see his vibes all over the way the players approach everything still … Igor saying step up… players doing the opposite
No belief in anything
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Good job I didn’t say it was on Frank 😉
Although you can see his vibes all over the way the players approach everything still … Igor saying step up… players doing the opposite
No belief in anything
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You didnt say it overtly but your comment about "6 months" could only have related to 1 manager.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Good job I didn’t say it was on Frank 😉
Although you can see his vibes all over the way the players approach everything still … Igor saying step up… players doing the opposite
No belief in anything
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Is that really true though. Frank asked them to push at times also.
 
Robspur12 said:
You didnt say it overtly but your comment about "6 months" could only have related to 1 manager.
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I think it’s very very hard to eradicate toxic leadership
Takes a long while in a stable ish business let’s alone a football team where the expectations and pressures are huge
Some people lead and some people can’t
And yeah, it will take anyone a long time to purge the team of 6 months of being overtly told your not good enough
Said it when we played Arsenal first game and we were set up with 8 men to defend ..
Your literally telling your team they aren’t good enough
The new man has to lift the team up from its lowest eb
 
DeanoAustin said:
I agree. Having watched that back, I can't see what the fuss is about. There's nothing there that suggest VdV is ignoring Tudor for me.

There's a narrative developing around VdV, probably based on his comments around Ange and snubbing Frank after Chelsea, that this plays into. I believe it's unfair and I don't see what some people are seeing in this clip (assuming I have the right clip).
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He is telling the defence as a whole
VDV is just in sight
But they didn’t listen or just didn’t know how to
 
Bedfordspurs said:
He is telling the defence as a whole
VDV is just in sight
But they didn’t listen or just didn’t know how to
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If I looked at that clip in isolation I would think the manager is asking his LCB to hold a wider position to be in a better position to get forward when the opportunity arises. He could have easily just been advising the RCB and LCB that they were playing too narrow for the system. It doesn't look like he's asking Micky to come right over to the touchline to talk to him.
 
Muttley said:
If I looked at that clip in isolation I would think the manager is asking his LCB to hold a wider position to be in a better position to get forward when the opportunity arises. He could have easily just been advising the RCB and LCB that they were playing too narrow for the system. It doesn't look like he's asking Micky to come right over to the touchline to talk to him.
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We don’t know and I’m not convinced he was just asking Micky as the twitter posts suggests
He did did try to and actually did talk to VDV several times first half on the sidelines but this wasn’t one that I noticed
 
Robspur12 said:
I said he has looked better rather than good, which is true, based on my previous observations. He's definitely limited with the ball at his feet, but at either the last Euros or last WC he looked decent for Romania. A classic put your body on the line type defender. Certainly not as bad as he has looked since coming back into the team. And it's not just his technical ability that has been a concern but also his inability to react to changing situations around him.

It makes me wonder if there is any lasting psychological effects from the serious injury and long lay off that followed. It may just be that he needs to play himself back into form, of course.
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Difficult to compare perhaps as we've been so different as a team before and after his injury. But I agree he was better, not sure by how much - somewhat better?

But his weaknesses and what we're seeing post injury isn't some new weakness that he's now developed. And imo he's shown himself a very good box defender after his injury too. It's just that most of what we ask him to do isn't that and at all the other stuff he isn't very good and to me never has shown himself to be particularly good either.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I think it’s very very hard to eradicate toxic leadership
Takes a long while in a stable ish business let’s alone a football team where the expectations and pressures are huge
Some people lead and some people can’t
And yeah, it will take anyone a long time to purge the team of 6 months of being overtly told your not good enough
Said it when we played Arsenal first game and we were set up with 8 men to defend ..
Your literally telling your team they aren’t good enough
The new man has to lift the team up from its lowest eb
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Huge job ahead for Tudor for sure.

This feels to me worse than last season with regards to league form. At least last season we had managed to stem the injury crisis somewhat. And at this stage I think had started prioritising the EL, meaning that we could go back to prioritising the PL if we had to.

Unfortunately the only real way to properly get a lift, get confidence back is through results. On the positive side one or two good results could make a big difference.
 
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