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Lemonade Money said:
Ange was Munn's man, Frank was Lange's. Jol was Arnesen's man, Paratici wanted Gattuso! Lange obviously sold Frank to the board. Based on that, I don't think he's fit to pick managers. If his youth buys are good, fair enough. I'd like to know who recommended Pochettino to Levy, and who recommended Redknapp.
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Lemonade Money said:
Ange was Munn's man, Frank was Lange's. Jol was Arnesen's man, Paratici wanted Gattuso! Lange obviously sold Frank to the board. Based on that, I don't think he's fit to pick managers. If his youth buys are good, fair enough. I'd like to know who recommended Pochettino to Levy, and who recommended Redknapp.
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Baldini was DoF the summer Poch came in.

I think Pleat always had a lot of influence ovre Levy, up until the last couple of years when they fell out anyway
 
Lemonade Money said:
Ange was Munn's man, Frank was Lange's. Jol was Arnesen's man, Paratici wanted Gattuso! Lange obviously sold Frank to the board. Based on that, I don't think he's fit to pick managers. If his youth buys are good, fair enough. I'd like to know who recommended Pochettino to Levy, and who recommended Redknapp.
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I wonder if Pleat had a hand in Poch or Arry?
Can't remember who we had as Dof as the time, Hitchen maybe for Poch?
Old Pleaty had Daniel COYS's ear for years and was the only real football man that Levy paid any attention too until Fab came along.

I agree with Lange's eye for youth, he seems to do really well there but there are questions about his ability to sign the sort of calibre we need to progress.
Ideally, I'd like to keep him as a "youth scout" but I doubt that will happen because it'll now be something of a demotion for him.
I was hoping Fab would work on the senior squad, while Lange focused on potential but having two DoF's is always going to cause conflict when they have such different views.

Another issue with how the football side has been run, there no long-term vision or plan.
 
thfcsteff said:
I always heard Paul Kemsley was the one who convinced Levy of Redknapp (think he was a board member). Good question re: Poch.
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I’d imagine Redknapp was seen as a short term fix to get us out of trouble. Probably didn’t foresee him getting us into the top 4 in his first full season from the position we were in when he joined.
 
McFlash said:
Wel, we don't know that really because Levy did hire Frank in the first place, so maybe he would have trusted Vinai and Lange.
And also, I wouldn't have much faith in Levy appointing a suitable replacements because we've lucked into the most successful managers under him.
Jol was an Arnesen pick but Levy wanted the bigger name in Santini, who quit after 6 months.
We wanted Van Gaal over Poch and Redknapp was a panic replacement made in desperation.

Levy's constant chopping and changing between managers and styles is a big part of the reason our squad has been so disjointed and unbalanced for so many years.
Levy did a lot of good for our club but football decisions wasn't his strong point.
He tinkled off the legend that was Pleat, the one proper footballing man who had his ear and funnily enough now seems to be advising the kids.

But with that said, after the Gattuso "incident", I'm not sure I trust Fab's managerial judgement either.
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If he's as incompetent as you believe, then he must be just about the luckiest person ever born.

To have taken a club from where we were to where we got to before the grandkids started sticking their grubby fingers in the pie, is one hell of a long lucky streak.
 
scaramanga said:
If he's as incompetent as you believe, then he must be just about the luckiest person ever born.

To have taken a club from where we were to where we got to before the grandkids started sticking their grubby fingers in the pie, is one hell of a long lucky streak.
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You're confusing two things here, business and football.
Levy is a brilliant businessman and has worked absolute miracles at our club, nobody could or should take that away from him but that's beside the point that he's not very good at the football side of things.

The constant chopping and changing of staff, poor squad management and the need to always "win a deal" has been detrimental not only to our success on the pitch but to our relationships with other clubs.

The constant failure to build from a position of strength and the habit of failing to back a manager after the first window or two have all led us to where we are now.

And I've always been a defender of his, right up until the end of the Conte period and that's when I lost the faith.
He's got us as far as he could and made us into a club that was too big for one man to micro-manage everything but he could let go of control and just couldn't manage to let people just get on with their jobs.

So don't get me wrong, he has been fantastic for the club but all journeys come to and end and his story had run it's course.
Basically, he created a monster that he couldn't control on his own anymore, with his old fashioned way of doing things.
The game moved on and he didn't, or couldn't, change to go with it.

I don't think he's incompetent, far from it but two things can be true at the same time.
 
McFlash said:
You're confusing two things here, business and football.
Levy is a brilliant businessman and has worked absolute miracles at our club, nobody could or should take that away from him but that's beside the point that he's not very good at the football side of things.

The constant chopping and changing of staff, poor squad management and the need to always "win a deal" has been detrimental not only to our success on the pitch but to our relationships with other clubs.

The constant failure to build from a position of strength and the habit of failing to back a manager after the first window or two have all led us to where we are now.

And I've always been a defender of his, right up until the end of the Conte period and that's when I lost the faith.
He's got us as far as he could and made us into a club that was too big for one man to micro-manage everything but he could let go of control and just couldn't manage to let people just get on with their jobs.

So don't get me wrong, he has been fantastic for the club but all journeys come to and end and his story had run it's course.
Basically, he created a monster that he couldn't control on his own anymore, with his old fashioned way of doing things.
The game moved on and he didn't, or couldn't, change to go with it.

I don't think he's incompetent, far from it but two things can be true at the same time.
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If you're suggesting he was bad at the football side, then you can't have seen much of us in the years before he was here.

The late 90s Spurs makes Thomas Frank's Spurs look like peak Barcelona.
 
scaramanga said:
If you're suggesting he was bad at the football side, then you can't have seen much of us in the years before he was here.

The late 90s Spurs makes Thomas Frank's Spurs look like peak Barcelona.
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Do you really think we've reached our potential since the stadium was completed, or beforehand?
Or that he ever properly backed a manager with signings?
Do you think we've spent money wisely in regards to the playing staff?

What we were like before he came along isn't relevant, how we've progressed on the pitch since he's been here is and considering the stadium and facilities we have, meaning the financial power we can weild, do you really think he's got us to where we should be?

We've been regressing since about 18 months before the end of Poch and he showed no ability to halt the slide at all.

That's why I think he'd reached his ceiling and his inability to trust football people to do the jobs he gave them undermined everything at the club.
 
McFlash said:
You're confusing two things here, business and football.
Levy is a brilliant businessman and has worked absolute miracles at our club, nobody could or should take that away from him but that's beside the point that he's not very good at the football side of things.

The constant chopping and changing of staff, poor squad management and the need to always "win a deal" has been detrimental not only to our success on the pitch but to our relationships with other clubs.

The constant failure to build from a position of strength and the habit of failing to back a manager after the first window or two have all led us to where we are now.

And I've always been a defender of his, right up until the end of the Conte period and that's when I lost the faith.
He's got us as far as he could and made us into a club that was too big for one man to micro-manage everything but he could let go of control and just couldn't manage to let people just get on with their jobs.

So don't get me wrong, he has been fantastic for the club but all journeys come to and end and his story had run it's course.
Basically, he created a monster that he couldn't control on his own anymore, with his old fashioned way of doing things.
The game moved on and he didn't, or couldn't, change to go with it.

I don't think he's incompetent, far from it but two things can be true at the same time.
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They are not two things, it’s the business of football.
 
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