American politics

[MartyFunkhouser]

You would have to show me where this passive approach to deportations has worked.

Being proactive and making mistakes are not things that automatically go hand in hand.

 

[robp135]

Being proactive and making mistakes are not things that automatically go hand in hand.

Why are illegals not proactively self deporting?

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Why are illegals not proactively self deporting?

How does that play to anything ive said? Utterly ridiculous

 

[robp135]

How does that play to anything ive said? Utterly ridiculous

Because in the case of Renee Good and Alex Pretti ICE were in that location because they had warrants to arrest and detain illegals that had been identified in the exact ways you suggest they should. But they get prevented from doing that by “protesters”.

So ICE cannot do what you ask. They also can’t be aggresive. So the only solution that remains is self deportation by your own logic.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Because in the case of Renee Good and Alex Pretti ICE were in that location because they had warrants to arrest and detain illegals that had been identified in the exact ways you suggest they should. But they get prevented from doing that by “protesters”.

So ICE cannot do what you ask. They also can’t be aggresive. So the only solution that remains is self deportation by your own logic.

There are people who are non violently protesting being murdered. Please leave it at that. You come across devoid of humanity.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Because in the case of Renee Good and Alex Pretti ICE were in that location because they had warrants to arrest and detain illegals that had been identified in the exact ways you suggest they should. But they get prevented from doing that by “protesters”.

So ICE cannot do what you ask. They also can’t be aggresive. So the only solution that remains is self deportation by your own logic.

What utter tripe

 

[robp135]

There are people who are non violently protesting being murdered. Please leave it at that. You come across devoid of humanity.

What utter tripe

Don’t try and play the morality game. The deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti are both tragic and I have said the shooters should be charged with Murder. But so are the murders of Laken Reilly, Jocelyn Nungare, Rachel Morin, Victoria Harwell, Ivory Smith and too many others to mention. All murdered by illegal immigrants. Il take a long shot bet you have not made a single post about those deaths on this forum.

Trump was elected by the American people with a mandate to seal the border and deport ALL illegal immigrannts. A policy that still has a 55% approval rating according to CNN with over 90% wanting illegal immigrants that have commited crimes in the US being deported.

In most states, the process of deportations is smooth and doesn't make national news. The reason for that is because local authorities are cooperating with ICE. But Minneapolis has taken a different approach. They've engaged in a campaign of massive resistance to federal authorities.

I would have no problem with people peacefully protesting and making their opinions known, but that's not what's going on here. It’s highly organsised operations designed to thwart the enforcement of federal immigration law that’s wanted by the majority of the population.

They are communicating in encrypted chat groups.They're stalk and dox ICE agents which. They follow them around the cities and surround them at their hotels which is why they have to wear masks. They use their cars to block roads, and they use bullhorns and whistles to alert criminals who are about to be arrested.

As a reminder, ICE is a law enforcement agency. There have been examples of them engaging with citizens without warrants and that should not happen. But in Minnesota, and in the locations where Renee Good & Alex Pretti were killed they had warrants to arrest identified illegal immigrants, many of whom are criminals.

These are dangerous missions that are being undertaken by ICE and these “protestors” are interfering and making these missions even more dangerous. You are trying to portray them as simple innocent bystanders peacefully protesting ICE policies when they were not.

Renee Good was specially out that day to prevent ICE agents from performing their federally mandated duty. I personally think the ICE agent murdered her but the law signed in to place by Tim Walz in 2020 may disagree, as it classes a vehicle as a deadly weapon.

Alex Pretti however was even more reckless and I will go out on a lim and say more information will come out about him in time. But we have seen the video. Does that excuse him being killed? No. But let’s not pretend this guy was just a peaceful protestor. He was a foot soldier that brought a gun with him. He had a conceal carry license but did not carry his ID with him which is a requirement and then intervened with law enforcement, which is a crime waving his 2nd amendment right. Yet we have posters here trotting out Pro Gun NRA talking points suggesting that anyone can carry a gun anywhere and as long as they don’t draw it to shoot hes not putting his life in danger. You even have the media altering his photos to make him seem less threatening to the US public which is truly sick.

I feel sorry for Good and Pretti because they were the victims of a tinderbox that was created in Minnesota by the extreme rhetoric and decisions of Governor Tim Walz and Mayer Jacob Frey. The local police in Minneapolis should have been allowed to keep conditions safe on the street by creating a perimeter and keeping genuine protestors away from ICE officers who were executing lawful warrants of arrest. But the police have been told to stand down and the agitators stepped in to take advantage.

It was inevitable that some sort of tragedy was going to result from this abdication of public safety. What you should really be asking is what is motivating Walz and Frey to put citizens at such risk. I trust you know this already though.

 

[Rafa87]

Don’t try and play the morality game. The deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti are both tragic and I have said the shooters should be charged with Murder. But so are the murders of Laken Reilly, Jocelyn Nungare, Rachel Morin, Victoria Harwell, Ivory Smith and too many others to mention. All murdered by illegal immigrants. Il take a long shot bet you have not made a single post about those deaths on this forum.

Trump was elected by the American people with a mandate to seal the border and deport ALL illegal immigrannts. A policy that still has a 55% approval rating according to CNN with over 90% wanting illegal immigrants that have commited crimes in the US being deported.

In most states, the process of deportations is smooth and doesn't make national news. The reason for that is because local authorities are cooperating with ICE. But Minneapolis has taken a different approach. They've engaged in a campaign of massive resistance to federal authorities.

I would have no problem with people peacefully protesting and making their opinions known, but that's not what's going on here. It’s highly organsised operations designed to thwart the enforcement of federal immigration law that’s wanted by the majority of the population.

They are communicating in encrypted chat groups.They're stalk and dox ICE agents which. They follow them around the cities and surround them at their hotels which is why they have to wear masks. They use their cars to block roads, and they use bullhorns and whistles to alert criminals who are about to be arrested.

As a reminder, ICE is a law enforcement agency. There have been examples of them engaging with citizens without warrants and that should not happen. But in Minnesota, and in the locations where Renee Good & Alex Pretti were killed they had warrants to arrest identified illegal immigrants, many of whom are criminals.

These are dangerous missions that are being undertaken by ICE and these “protestors” are interfering and making these missions even more dangerous. You are trying to portray them as simple innocent bystanders peacefully protesting ICE policies when they were not.

Renee Good was specially out that day to prevent ICE agents from performing their federally mandated duty. I personally think the ICE agent murdered her but the law signed in to place by Tim Walz in 2020 may disagree, as it classes a vehicle as a deadly weapon.

Alex Pretti however was even more reckless and I will go out on a lim and say more information will come out about him in time. But we have seen the video. Does that excuse him being killed? No. But let’s not pretend this guy was just a peaceful protestor. He was a foot soldier that brought a gun with him. He had a conceal carry license but did not carry his ID with him which is a requirement and then intervened with law enforcement, which is a crime waving his 2nd amendment right. Yet we have posters here trotting out Pro Gun NRA talking points suggesting that anyone can carry a gun anywhere and as long as they don’t draw it to shoot hes not putting his life in danger. You even have the media altering his photos to make him seem less threatening to the US public which is truly sick.

I feel sorry for Good and Pretti because they were the victims of a tinderbox that was created in Minnesota by the extreme rhetoric and decisions of Governor Tim Walz and Mayer Jacob Frey. The local police in Minneapolis should have been allowed to keep conditions safe on the street by creating a perimeter and keeping genuine protestors away from ICE officers who were executing lawful warrants of arrest. But the police have been told to stand down and the agitators stepped in to take advantage.

It was inevitable that some sort of tragedy was going to result from this abdication of public safety. What you should really be asking is what is motivating Walz and Frey to put citizens at such risk. I trust you know this already though.

In fairness, I’m fully open that I don’t know the in’s and outs of the gun laws, and regardless of whether our views would mesh in a wider way, you have been consistent from the start that these two shootings were essentially murder and that the shooters in question should face the consequences of them. For me, can’t really ask fairer than that as I don’t know the details needed for the wider questions in the states.

 

[robp135]

In fairness, I’m fully open that I don’t know the in’s and outs of the gun laws, and regardless of whether our views would mesh in a wider way, you have been consistent from the start that these two shootings were essentially murder and that the shooters in question should face the consequences of them. For me, can’t really ask fairer than that as I don’t know the details needed for the wider questions in the states.

There has been a desperation to change the subject from the billions of dollars of fraud that was stolen by Somali fraudsters. This campaign of resistance in Minneapolis has done a really good job of making everyone forget about that.

But the bigger reason that impacts Democrats nationally, is that they want to thwart mass deportations because illegal immigrants are a vital part of their power base.

Illegal immigrants and non citizens still count towards the census which occurs every decade, even if they cannot legally vote. The census determines the apportionment of congressional seats and electoral votes. Because we have see vast numbers of citizens of blue states migrating to red states, it’s expected that the traditionally blue states are going to lose 11 seats and th red states will gain 11 seats. A 22 point swing that will on the Republicans favor with Florida now a deep red state to boot.

+4: TX
+2: FL
+1 AZ, GA, ID, NC, UT
-1: IL, MN, NY, OR, PA, RI, WI
-4: CA

It mean that the Demoncrats could win all 4 true swing states (MI, NV, PA, WI) and still lose the election 265-273. They would need to swing a state like Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina.

 

[LutonSpurs]

There has been a desperation to change the subject from the billions of dollars of fraud that was stolen by Somali fraudsters. This campaign of resistance in Minneapolis has done a really good job of making everyone forget about that.

But the bigger reason that impacts Democrats nationally, is that they want to thwart mass deportations because illegal immigrants are a vital part of their power base.

Illegal immigrants and non citizens still count towards the census which occurs every decade, even if they cannot legally vote. The census determines the apportionment of congressional seats and electoral votes. Because we have see vast numbers of citizens of blue states migrating to red states, it’s expected that the traditionally blue states are going to lose 11 seats and th red states will gain 11 seats. A 22 point swing that will on the Republicans favor with Florida now a deep red state to boot.

+4: TX
+2: FL
+1 AZ, GA, ID, NC, UT
-1: IL, MN, NY, OR, PA, RI, WI
-4: CA

It mean that the Demoncrats could win all 4 true swing states (MI, NV, PA, WI) and still lose the election 265-273. They would need to swing a state like Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina.

Somali fraudsters lol. Trump literally pardoned people for financial crime. He and the Republicans don't care about fraud. This is Trump being unable to cope with Ilhan Omar because he is a misogynist incel dh

 

[robp135]

Somali fraudsters lol. Trump literally pardoned people for financial crime. He and the Republicans don't care about fraud. This is Trump being unable to cope with Ilhan Omar because he is a misogynist incel dh

Are you suggesting that there is not major fraud that Somali immigrants are responsible for in Minnesota? Just a right wing conspiracy?

 

[Mikey10]

Somali fraudsters lol. Trump literally pardoned people for financial crime. He and the Republicans don't care about fraud. This is Trump being unable to cope with Ilhan Omar because he is a misogynist incel dh

Trump wasn’t slow to pardon the cop murderers from January 6th either.

 

[robp135]

Trump wasn’t slow to pardon the cop murderers from January 6th either.

Whataboutism is a standard response when you don’t have an arguement anymore.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Are you suggesting that there is not major fraud that Somali immigrants are responsible for in Minnesota? Just a right wing conspiracy?

No. I am sure there are issues. Just like there are everywhere. The reason the Orange incel has gone mad is that it's Dem controlled and he hates Ilhan, and he has been racist to Somalians many times before. If you can only see it in binary terms and won't look at all the factors then I can't help you pal.

 

[robp135]

No. I am sure there are issues. Just like there are everywhere. The reason the Orange incel has gone mad is that it's Dem controlled and he hates Ilhan, and he has been racist to Somalians many times before. If you can only see it in binary terms and won't look at all the factors then I can't help you pal.

You are the one that is doing that.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Whataboutism is a standard response when you don’t have an arguement anymore.

You literally have conflated fraud by US citizens (Somalian descent) with ICE deportations. This is whataboutery. And almost every one of your posts has been whataboutery under the guise of reasoned discussion. It's painful to read

 

[LutonSpurs]

You are the one that is doing that.

Looool what a useless response. What am I doing?

 

[robp135]

You literally have conflated fraud by US citizens (Somalian descent) with ICE deportations. This is whataboutery. And almost every one of your posts has been whataboutery under the guise of reasoned discussion. It's painful to read

No. I brought up the Somali fraud as a smaller part of the reason why the Governor and Mayor are happy for the media attention to be focused on clashes with ICE than their own failures. Maybe you don't think they are that intelligent and won't give them the credit for that. Fair enough.

 

[robp135]

Looool what a useless response. What am I doing?

Only see it in binary terms. Maybe I am wrong and you can point me to the posts in this thread where you have been critical of anyone but Trump/Republicans. If so, I will gladly apologise.

 

[Lost Mango]

There has been a desperation to change the subject from the billions of dollars of fraud that was stolen by Somali fraudsters. This campaign of resistance in Minneapolis has done a really good job of making everyone forget about that.

But the bigger reason that impacts Democrats nationally, is that they want to thwart mass deportations because illegal immigrants are a vital part of their power base.

Illegal immigrants and non citizens still count towards the census which occurs every decade, even if they cannot legally vote. The census determines the apportionment of congressional seats and electoral votes. Because we have see vast numbers of citizens of blue states migrating to red states, it’s expected that the traditionally blue states are going to lose 11 seats and th red states will gain 11 seats. A 22 point swing that will on the Republicans favor with Florida now a deep red state to boot.

+4: TX
+2: FL
+1 AZ, GA, ID, NC, UT
-1: IL, MN, NY, OR, PA, RI, WI
-4: CA

It mean that the Demoncrats could win all 4 true swing states (MI, NV, PA, WI) and still lose the election 265-273. They would need to swing a state like Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina.

Most of the Somali fraud seems to have been organised and led by white US born citizens.