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Cristian Romero

Finney Is Back said:
If I was a first team player at Spurs and I'd seen us sell a first team squad player, who typically gets on the pitch every game, and was one of our top scorers last season, on day 1 of the window with no-one lined up to replace him, while in a heavy period of games with injuries, suspensions and clear player fatigue, I would have serious misgivings about the priorities of the football club, though I don't think you need to be a first team player to have those same misgivings.
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On the back of a manager that was (from what we can tell) universally loved in the dressing room being fired. On the back of a squad decimated by injuries because of, in part, poor squad planning. On the back of Harry Kane deciding his best/only chance at trophies was to leave. On the back of world class managers failing because the club appointed them knowing what they'd need and then failed to provide it. On the back of years and years of attacking-defensive-attacking-defensive shifts in what is wanted.

I'm glad the captain is tinkled off.
 
Baleforce said:
Really fed up with Romero over this, he’s been useless lately, 2 goals against the dippers were his fault, the Sunderland one, first one last night.

He’s the senior fudging CB and captain, if the opposition are winning headers in our box that’s his responsibility.

Needs to sort himself out before he moans about anyone else.
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What if performances are as a result of, rather than the cause of, the toxic environment at the club?
 
Baleforce said:
Keep your head down and work, don’t try and deflect the attention away from your own deficiencies.

Own up to it.
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Have you ever worked in a toxic environment? It's not that easy, and I imagine it's even harder when you and your colleagues are getting pelters from thousands of people every week.

No doubt, his performances need to improve. But given there's about 24 other players in that category I think it's a bigger issue than just him.
 
LutonSpurs said:
What do we think the fallout will be from this?

Frank has lost control of his players clearly. I don't think they respect him at all.

The higher ups should be having a Cobra or crisis meeting as we speak.
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I don't like reading into body language and emotional reactions because they can be very misleading but when you look at the disrespect players have shown to him after games and when being subbed, I'm inclined to agree with this.
 
glasgowspur said:
Only reason I wanted conte was because I thought he would tell it as it was, not just about the club but the players.
Didn't go far enough imho.
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Conte is a winner, he wants so surround himself with winners. He knows that if you are trying to win things then the aim has to be to win things and not to try to finish 4th. He knows that aim has to be there from the very top to the very bottom. I suspect he was given certain assurances when joining Spurs that failed to materialise and he realised there was no real ambition from the owners to go the extra mile to actually win things.

Mourinho is another manager that is a winner, he desperately wants to win trophies and absolutely knows what it takes to win trophies. When he knows that the only real chance we have of beating Emirates Marketing Project in a final is to rest most, if not all, of the first team in the midweek game then he needs to be listened to and allowed to do that in order to give us a chance of silverware, not told he can't rest players for the PL game and then sacked when he refuses to toe the party line.

Ange is also a winner, he knows what it takes to win trophies. He might have managed in tin-pot leagues but he managed to get his team to win in those tin pot leagues everywhere he had been. He ended up sacrificing our league position for the chance to bring real glory to the club. He then even managed to bring us that glory, glory far greater than a 6th or even 4th place finish in the premier league. What did winning that trophy get him?... The sack!

Pochettino brought us to the edge of glory against all odds, taking over a young team with extremely limited spend. He got us to a place where we were genuinely considered to be a bona-fide Champions League club that the best players wanted to join. He wanted to take the extra step to bring us real glory and become a legend at our club. Despite making billions in profit on their initial investment our owners wouldn't sanction the transfer fees and/or wages to allow us to take those next level players like Wjinaldum and Mane to give us the chance of taking that next step. As always, 4th was 'good enough' and those players he wanted instead helped Klopp and Liverpool become a real force again and a club that would start winning major trophies again.

This club has not been set up for glory from the top for decades. It has instead been a vehicle to make money for people who are already richer than any of us can imagine being. The delicious irony is that the club is now losing value and losing it quite rapidly.... the Super League didn't happen, we're moving further and further away from being a champions league club, the attendances are dwindling, many other clubs in the league, far smaller than we are, have developed far better data models, scouting, youth pathways and succession planning than we have, we have a very real prospect of relegation due to years of mismanagement and a lack of a cohesive plan.

I actually feel sorry for Frank. He was never my choice for Spurs manager as I had seen enough of his long ball, low risk, football by numbers at Brentford, a club who's data and scouting have been worlds apart from ours, and knew it wouldn't go down well with our fans. His 'try to not get relegated' Brentford football was unlikely to work at Spurs and even more unlikely to be accepted by our fans. He has no history of winning things, just of getting a team on a low budget to get into and remain in the premier league - which I think shines a light on our owners.

Frank is a decent man though, I suspect he is a genuine nice, likeable, hard working person who is doing the absolute best he can, trying to manage a weak squad to play in two plus competitions as I'm sure is the demand from the top. I think he now needs to change tack though and not just feel grateful to have a big paying job at a big club, but instead to go to the owners and demand transfers this month, tell them that we will be in a real relegation battle if West Ham somehow find some form, and inform them that he will be sacrificing a slimish chance of last 16 in the Champions League to concentrate merely on ensuring our premier league future due to our injury list and fatigue levels in our small, young, largely inexperienced squad. If the owners don't like that then they can go out and get him the 3 or 4 additional players that we need this window and he can think about changing priorities.
 
"We’ll stay here, working, sticking together and giving our all to turn things around. Especially at times like this, keeping quiet, working harder and moving forward all toghether ,is part of football."

"Keeping quiet" is the opposite of what he just did isn't it?

I understand his frustration but I'm not sure who he expects to come out and speak or what he expects them to say? And I'm not sure it is going to help anything in the immediate future apart from create even more toxicity.
Rightly or wrongly it's always players and the manager/coach who face the press and fans, with the odd statement of confidence or media piece from a Board member every now and then. He's the captain, he needs to be working with Frank to get to the bottom of what needs to be fixed and the Board then need to be listening to what Frank is telling them.

I think as captain he wants to protect his teammates from the anger they are facing from fans and it's an encouragement for fans to direct their ire further up the chain. It's also possible as said above that he's relaying the message that he wants out.

I'm not bothered about hearing from ENIC. What I want is to see them unshackling the chains from the purse and living up the statements they gave after the removal of Levy.
 
LutonSpurs said:
What do we think the fallout will be from this?

Frank has lost control of his players clearly. I don't think they respect him at all.

The higher ups should be having a Cobra or crisis meeting as we speak.
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A lot of frustration in the players at the very least. This statement, VdV last night, others before.

Impossible to know what Romero actually wants/means by this. But if one player is to be involved in talks with the higher ups or at the very least be given the chance to speak their mind on what should happen it's our captain. I expect the specifics of that to be behind closed doors.

I don't mind Romero speaking out like this. The frustration is clear to see anyway and shared by most fans. What actually happens behind the scenes will be the important bit and we won't know much about that anyway.

Romero wants more from the club, exactly what we don't know. I think him voicing that is fine given the situation we're in.
 
LutonSpurs said:
What do we think the fallout will be from this?

Frank has lost control of his players clearly. I don't think they respect him at all.

The higher ups should be having a Cobra or crisis meeting as we speak.
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Franks head will roll for it, because boards don't sell criticise well, never seen any say "look this transition is on us"

For me his comments were a defence of Frank as he also has to face up to the media, but look heads will roll, players don't get touched, managers are an easy one to rid. There are always positives to sacking a manager, despite me not thinking he is to blame for all, but there are.

Frank will go IMO but this level of Rot is not new here, its grown like wild fire since the summer
 
If he was generally blameless for goals conceded, that message might have some gravitas. But given his individual form, his stupid actions at times (see Liverpool game), the fact that he himself has had a new contract (has HE broken any promises, e.g.not getting silly cards/sendings-offs) , plus the club have recently i beleive been defending him on his FA Charge, he comes across as basically a bit thick.

Even thicker is the likes of Richarlison liking and adding comments: hey guy, how about you remember that it was YOU who wouldn't leave so that club can raise funds and upgrade YOU! If the club could upgrade any players it'd be YOU who'd be out the door FFS

Are we supposed to believe 'broken promises' is the reason some of these players can't pass a ball properly or control a ball effectively?

I'd want Frank to drop the main three who commented (plus maybe VDV) so that they can have a 'rest'. Maybe let them think things through before we play Frankfurt. Maybe they can practice their ball control and defensive header etc

We've got serious issues at this club and thick/entitled players seems to be a big part of it.
 
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Romero should concentrate on himself. He has an inflated sense of his ability and importance. The odd world class performance is surrounded by mediocre performances, stupid decisions, recklessness, and in many cases just being a liability. He is nowhere near captain material.
If he were to be sold for 50-60m I'd be happy with that.
 
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