Morgan Gibbs-White

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

What would the alternative be?

Not sure. Fighting fire with fire in the press? At least getting their side out a bit more?

I’m going with the idea that we’ve done nothing wrong. If that’s the case, what’s the rationale for being silent? Surely putting your case out there too has equal benefit?

Perhaps it is payment terms. Perhaps Forest’s actual angle is ‘we don’t have to accept the bid while legal action is pending’ and we know that they have no evidence. So we’re going to wait an appropriate amount of time in order to just say ‘if you had evidence, you would have brought it by now, so if you don’t release him we’ll be making a legal claim against you. But we don’t want it to come to that…’

It’s funny, I can see a world where complete silence implies we’ve done something wrong. Or it implying we’ve done absolutely nothing wrong. And I’m assuming since the noises out of Spurs are ‘this deal will still happen’ that we know we’ve done nothing wrong, or it can’t be proven.

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

Silence in the public isn't silence with Forest. The thing is, we need Forest to confirm that our offer is officially accepted and so if we can agree terms with MGW they will release his registration to us. We cannot register him without this so if there IS a release clause and its been met, but Forest are refusing to confirm that his registration will be released there is nothing we can do and it will boil down to MGW. He will need to push the issue of his contract being broken. While we may have been told that there is a release clause triggered if we bid a certain figure, until we actually have sight of the contract we don't know for certain and so if Forest are refusing to confirm or deny and telling us to f**k off or face legal action im sure we will have put the ball in MGW and CCA's court - i.e. "you've said MGW wants to come here, you said Forest would release him if we did this, that's not happened- you know the terms of release not us - if you really want to come here you need to force the issue or we will move on"

I feel like MGW at least for now is playing the role of ‘I’ve never said I wanted out, I’ve kept up in training, I suited up for the game’, I feel like that is all very deliberate, and what Spurs would want him to do if they were crafting the narrative that they did nothing wrong.

 

[billyiddo]

Not sure. Fighting fire with fire in the press? At least getting their side out a bit more?

I’m going with the idea that we’ve done nothing wrong. If that’s the case, what’s the rationale for being silent? Surely putting your case out there too has equal benefit?

Perhaps it is payment terms. Perhaps Forest’s actual angle is ‘we don’t have to accept the bid while legal action is pending’ and we know that they have no evidence. So we’re going to wait an appropriate amount of time in order to just say ‘if you had evidence, you would have brought it by now, so if you don’t release him we’ll be making a legal claim against you. But we don’t want it to come to that…’

It’s funny, I can see a world where complete silence implies we’ve done something wrong. Or it implying we’ve done absolutely nothing wrong. And I’m assuming since the noises out of Spurs are ‘this deal will still happen’ that we know we’ve done nothing wrong, or it can’t be proven.

If the deal is still alive i don't see any need on our part to get our side of things out there - it won't push things along, so what's the point? If anything there would be a chance of further damaging any potential deal if their owner is the type to throw his toys out of the pram. Frustrating because as supporters we want to know the ins and outs of everything that's going on but that's the way it is.

I'd expect that if the deal dies that's when we'd hear our side of what went on (but only via 3rd party journos) - If we end up signing him then we'd likely not hear anything more about it.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Not sure. Fighting fire with fire in the press? At least getting their side out a bit more?

I’m going with the idea that we’ve done nothing wrong. If that’s the case, what’s the rationale for being silent? Surely putting your case out there too has equal benefit?

Perhaps it is payment terms. Perhaps Forest’s actual angle is ‘we don’t have to accept the bid while legal action is pending’ and we know that they have no evidence. So we’re going to wait an appropriate amount of time in order to just say ‘if you had evidence, you would have brought it by now, so if you don’t release him we’ll be making a legal claim against you. But we don’t want it to come to that…’

It’s funny, I can see a world where complete silence implies we’ve done something wrong. Or it implying we’ve done absolutely nothing wrong. And I’m assuming since the noises out of Spurs are ‘this deal will still happen’ that we know we’ve done nothing wrong, or it can’t be proven.

Why antagonise things if we don’t need to?
The PL is a small group, with a few newcomers and drop outs each year but nonetheless a fairly consistent group. It makes sense to keep things private if discussions/negotiations are going on in the background. The main concern is can we get the player we want and what’s the best way to reach that point. Getting into a public debate won’t help us achieve that.

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

If the deal is still alive i don't see any need on our part to get our side of things out there - it won't push things along, so what's the point? If anything there would be a chance of further damaging any potential deal if their owner is the type to throw his toys out of the pram. Frustrating because as supporters we want to know the ins and outs of everything that's going on but that's the way it is.

I'd expect that if the deal dies that's when we'd hear our side of what went on (but only via 3rd party journos) - If we end up signing him then we'd likely not hear anything more about it.

You’re likely completely right. I very much agree with your last point.

It’s not that I don’t understand why we’re being silent, it’s more just I would love to understand the specifics around the calculations of our decision making. As in ‘Maranakis has done this. What’s our next move? When do we shift?’

I agree that it’s likely that our silence means the deal is still live, despite what Forest are saying. I would just love to know more of the specific calculations in this particular poker game. I find it fascinating.

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

Why antagonise things if we don’t need to?
The PL is a small group, with a few newcomers and drop outs each year but nonetheless a fairly consistent group. It makes sense to keep things private if discussions/negotiations are going on in the background. The main concern is can we get the player we want and what’s the best way to reach that point. Getting into a public debate won’t help us achieve that.

Totally! I’d agree, if it wasn’t for the fact that Forest are accusing us of breaking the rules. They’re seemingly not bothered about it being a small group.

Again, I’m not criticising the Spurs strategy, and I agree there is a method to it. But it’s fascinating to think about the different calculations regarding the different moves available to them, that’s all. I might not be explaining myself very well.

 

[thfcsteff]

It was the first thing that came to my head, what else goes over people's heads a lot? Hat doesn't really work...

Thanks! They did make make me lino last night for a kiddos match and ref an U10s game (a very emotional affair) on Wednesday so I don't always get to sit down. And the club have asked me to stay on paying for my badges to coach. Football is quite a fun game once you get involved in a real capacity.

Fair enough for not getting it straight away, it's a good sign that you're not permanently online! I do think the link to the story was probably enough to connect the dots, but I'm not the memelord master..Imagine being that sleazy bloke who divorce is based on the events unfolding at a Coldplay concert.

Anyway, have we signed him yet? MGW not Chris Martin.

Coaching is very rewarding, and allow me to offer one piece of advice shoul you take a youth team on. Gather all the parents at an early training session, thank them for their upcoming support, let them know that you don't need them 'coaching' their kids and shouting at them during games as it will confuse and frustrate them, encourage them to offer loud encouragement, and let them know that if they still feel they need to shout instructions on match-days that they are welcome to take your place on matchdays and at practices! In other words, get them onside early!!!!!! Enjoy, it's a lot of fun and there's no greater joy than building a team out of some good and some very average players who all work together and have fun doing so. Keep us up to speed on how it goes!!!

To keep this thread-related, it cannot be long before MGW signs. Maranakis doesn't have a leg to stand on!!!! I agree with those who say this will likely come down to MGW handing in a transfer request (if he hasn't already). Maranakis simply wants the fans to think he fought for them. It's all PR puff and bluster IMO. We're right to quietly work in the background. I'd say if there has not been significant movement in the next week or so, we will start to see the player himself crank into gear. Expect various 'muscle strains' to develop, etc, etc...

 

[SirPercyHotspur]

Suppose the next episode in this saga will be does MGW turn up at whichever airport Forest are flying out from tomorrow , hope we have them all under surveillance.

 

[Daisuk]

Suppose the next episode in this saga will be does MGW turn up at whichever airport Forest are flying out from tomorrow , hope we have them all under surveillance.

No, here's next: MGW has started following some London based storage unit facilities on Instagram, and his wife has started following 4 (!) London based beauty salons or something. brick is going down!

 

[camspur]

It's not up to us to take Forest to court, they haven't breached any contract with us. It's entirely up to MGW to do that if he wants to go down that road.

I disagree, once we triggered the release clause Forest had a contract of sale with us, there was an agreement to sell to us for that fee. They have reneged on that contract.

 

[DubSpur]

I disagree, once we triggered the release clause Forest had a contract of sale with us, there was an agreement to sell to us for that fee. They have reneged on that contract.

No, there's no contract of sale or agreement to sell. There's only one contract and that's with MGW. If we could sue them over not selling to us for that price what happens if someone else bids the same? They can't sell to both clubs so one gets to sue Forest? And what if MGW refuses to sign, we still get to sue?

 

[SirPercyHotspur]

No, here's next: MGW has started following some London based storage unit facilities on Instagram, and his wife has started following 4 (!) London based beauty salons or something. brick is going down!

Has he applied yet for his Harrods loyalty card,then we will know he is on his way.

 

[camspur]

No, there's no contract of sale or agreement to sell. There's only one contract and that's with MGW. If we could sue them over not selling to us for that price what happens if someone else bids the same? They can't sell to both clubs so one gets to sue Forest? And what if MGW refuses to sign, we still get to sue?

Because there can't be two teams involved buying a player for their release clause.
As soon as one team offers equal to or above said clause it is triggered and no longer exist, it then becomes an agreed sale between bidding and selling club.

 

[DubSpur]

Because there can't be two teams involved buying a player for their release clause.
As soon as one team offers equal to or above said clause it is triggered and no longer exist, it then becomes an agreed sale between bidding and selling club.

No, more than one team can bid above it. Also the player doesn't have to agree to move. So if MGW refuses to move we can still sue?
Bidding above it just gives you the right to talk to the player and if the player agrees then the move goes through.

 

[camspur]

No, more than one team can bid above it. Also the player doesn't have to agree to move. So if MGW refuses to move we can still sue?
Bidding above it just gives you the right to talk to the player and if the player agrees then the move goes through.

And both Forest and MGW agreed to him joining us, it wasn't until Maranakis got involved that the deal was off, Spurs have every right to counter sue but Levy won't push it and be made to look like the bad guy in this.
The question is how long do Spurs hold out in getting MGW before they either have to push it or move on to another player.

 

[Legohamster]

Suppose the next episode in this saga will be does MGW turn up at whichever airport Forest are flying out from tomorrow , hope we have them all under surveillance.

Him acting in this way is what we want, shows he is a top pro rather than someone that will sulk and strike, could be us on the end of it one day and do we really want that in the dressing room if he joins?

 

[DubSpur]

And both Forest and MGW agreed to him joining us, it wasn't until Maranakis got involved that the deal was off, Spurs have every right to counter sue but Levy won't push it and be made to look like the bad guy in this.
The question is how long do Spurs hold out in getting MGW before they either have to push it or move on to another player.

MGW hasn't put in a transfer request, so nothing official that he wants to move. Ball is fully in MGWs court to start pushing if there isn't any movement on it. I'm sure there's plenty going on behind the scenes though.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Are we even absolutely sure we there is a release clause and that we have met it? All journalist info seem to be so vague.

This is what I’m thinking

 

[NickTB]

Keep it vague, keep em clicking

 

[RigorMortis]

Coaching is very rewarding, and allow me to offer one piece of advice shoul you take a youth team on. Gather all the parents at an early training session, thank them for their upcoming support, let them know that you don't need them 'coaching' their kids and shouting at them during games as it will confuse and frustrate them, encourage them to offer loud encouragement, and let them know that if they still feel they need to shout instructions on match-days that they are welcome to take your place on matchdays and at practices! In other words, get them onside early!!!!!! Enjoy, it's a lot of fun and there's no greater joy than building a team out of some good and some very average players who all work together and have fun doing so. Keep us up to speed on how it goes!!!

To keep this thread-related, it cannot be long before MGW signs. Maranakis doesn't have a leg to stand on!!!! I agree with those who say this will likely come down to MGW handing in a transfer request (if he hasn't already). Maranakis simply wants the fans to think he fought for them. It's all PR puff and bluster IMO. We're right to quietly work in the background. I'd say if there has not been significant movement in the next week or so, we will start to see the player himself crank into gear. Expect various 'muscle strains' to develop, etc, etc...

I’m struggling to follow whatbhappened
I actually left the UK to fly back on the day they announced we had met the release clause and then landed to find out all these shenanigans.

I am of the same thinking that it will sort itself out but wasn’t there a similar instance where arsenal met Suarez’s release clause and Liverpool didn’t sell or was there more to that one.