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Ange departs

Ange departs.

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Robspur12 said:
Sounds like you should be managing Spurs!
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Well I’d love too but I’m not qualified or experienced
I 100% wouldn’t ever play son wing back though and if I was due to play a game in 3 weeks time in intense heat… I would try to get some training in those conditions
That’s quite basic to me
But as I say I’m not qualified or experienced
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Yep we had beaten them
Yet many fans said we couldn’t do it again because of that
The key was we did because we did everything right for once
Can only beat who you face
Shame we fishy get it right when got knocked out previously in that cup against inferior sides… many times
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Fans can say what they want. Fans tend to make up excuses to placate their own mental state. We never lost finals due to mentality, we lost because weren't good enough and played better teams on paper and on the day.

I've always said there's an argument to be made that we could and should have at least once pulled out an underdog story but the truth is they rarely happen. We just remember when they do because for that very reason they stand out.
 
Bishop said:
Fans can say what they want. Fans tend to make up excuses to placate their own mental state. We never lost finals due to mentality, we lost because weren't good enough and played better teams on paper and on the day.

I've always said there's an argument to be made that we could and should have at least once pulled out an underdog story but the truth is they rarely happen. We just remember when they do because for that very reason they stand out.
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We also lost finals that we may have had a Better chance on if we were bette prepared
And what about the semis
The other cup games we floundered in against inferior opposition
 
Bedfordspurs said:
We also lost finals that we may have had a Better chance on if we were bette prepared
And what about the semis
The other cup games we floundered in against inferior opposition
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There's only one semi I recall that fits that category and that's the one Vs Pompey under Harry. I do think we went into that one roostery and overconfident think that our route through the final was done already.
 
Robspur12 said:
I think, with respect you've misunderstood my post, as you seem to be running with a different argument. I have never played down our win or that it was lucky? But there is a narrative that Ange is the only one who got us over the line. Of course factually that is correct. But the context of those other finals is crucial when deciding how much weight to give the win when considering his future!
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Apologies if I have, it's not a deliberate misinterpretation.
 
Bishop said:
There's only one semi I recall that fits that category and that's the one Vs Pompey under Harry. I do think we went into that one roostery and overconfident think that our route through the final was done already.
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We lost a cup game to a team with a manager in prison
Prison
That Tottenham
That’s what you have to deal with here
Pompey was horrendous
Saw a few Chelsea semis in the LC where we went limp too
And the United LC final we lost on penalties
 
Bedfordspurs said:
We lost a cup game to a team with a manager in prison
Prison
That Tottenham
That’s what you have to deal with here
Pompey was horrendous
Saw a few Chelsea semis in the LC where we went limp too
And the United LC final we lost on penalties
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That game we lost to a team managed by a guy who was in prison...boy...i can't for the life of me get how Mourinho was not sacked then but then was sacked before a cup final....absolutely astonishing and handy reminder of why people think in football terms Levy is mostly clueless
 
If anyone has a spare 15-20 minutes I suggest they listen to the first part of the LWOS pod cast

The guest takes apart any argument for keeping Ange.
 
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Bishop said:
There's only one semi I recall that fits that category and that's the one Vs Pompey under Harry. I do think we went into that one roostery and overconfident think that our route through the final was done already.
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Yeah. It was awful.

Everyone had already started calling it the roosterney cup final weeks before
 
Bedfordspurs said:
We lost a cup game to a team with a manager in prison
Prison
That Tottenham
That’s what you have to deal with here
Pompey was horrendous
Saw a few Chelsea semis in the LC where we went limp too
And the United LC final we lost on penalties
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The prison game wasn't a semi like you were talking about and Chelsea and United were better teams than us.

That doesn't mean we couldn't win but those results weren't down to a lack of mentality, they were down to being bested by the better teams, filled with better players and deeper squads.
 
Bishop said:
The prison game wasn't a semi like you were talking about and Chelsea and United were better teams than us.

That doesn't mean we couldn't win but those results weren't down to a lack of mentality, they were down to being bested by the better teams, filled with better players and deeper squads.
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Possibly
But there are many many cup games that our mentality and set up was wrong
It wasn’t in this final for once
 
Legohamster said:
If anyone has a space 15-20 minutes I suggest they listen to the first part of the LWOS pod cast

The guest takes apart any argument for keeping Ange.
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Why he is gone. No point listening unless he can convince me sacking a manger after winning a trophy after 41/17 years is correct. Heads up he can't
 
Bishop said:
Ange got a pass for the tactical naivety from me in his first season also. Take the Chelsea match I was proud of our efforts and his approach but 60ish games later I needed to see some progression to his ideas and the implementation of them. That you can't see the difference between a man coming in mid season being in charge for 25 games and a man who has had 2 full seasons and 4 transfer windows encompassing 101 games I find somewhat amusing. A season is the minimum any coach should get, I'd argue two seasons at that. Ange had that time Anorin hasn't yet. If United form and results stay as they have under him then him getting the chop would be expected imo.

You're like many others on here you think the first 11 is already great so considering that. How do we actually improve if Ange is fine and the squad is fine. Something must explain the abject results and performances?

In terms of his vision I think we saw enough to know the quality of player he requires is not within our orbit and he wasn't able to match his system to the players we actually have.
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The context that he spent the majority of this season trying to get us through a historic injury crisis, playing in a way that adapted his ideal system but maintained the principles for the long term. That’s why I give him a pass on it and say, it’s no different to Amorim coming mid season. Both didn’t have their ideal circumstances. Both will likely be better next season. One got a European trophy at the end of the year.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
The context that he spent the majority of this season trying to get us through a historic injury crisis, playing in a way that adapted his ideal system but maintained the principles for the long term. That’s why I give him a pass on it and say, it’s no different to Amorim coming mid season. Both didn’t have their ideal circumstances. Both will likely be better next season. One got a European trophy at the end of the year.
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Well I disagree in regards to the context of injuries. They were indeed bad but not unprecedented and in the end we didn't even finish top of the injury table. They certainly affected things but I would expect a top coach to be able to adapt and adjust to their circumstances.

Little things like if your speedster CB is missing you potentially drop your line say 10 yards. If you are constantly being killed on the far side overlap you maybe push a midfielder to cover that late run? There were a multitude of tiny little issues and errors that Ange simply never addressed disconnected from any injuries.

I know you have only recently returned to this board but it's been shown plenty of times already that pre any injury crisis our win/loss rate in the league was already at 50%. Injuries became a convenient escape value for those that didn't actually want to question and critique what we were seeing on the pitch. The form was poor way before any claim of an injury crisis can be claimed.

Ps. On Amorin if he continues to play 3 at the back while lacking the necessary players to actually fill the system. Then yes that would be a tactical failing and like Ange he would deserve the sack.

As a coach your fundamental role is to maximise the players available to you. If you can not do that then you are failing.
 
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