Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Silly McSilly Face]

To an extent I agree, but I have listened to and read alot where his local constituents are up in arms, no replies to emails, does not attend the clinics, constantly MIA. I agree others outside that manor won't care, there are loads of thickos who will drink the reform cool-aid but those impacted will have had enough IMO. Does that mean he moves on, likely IMO, thats what all Shysters do, they go somewhere, use up goodwill and move on.

Also as the RW rhetoric ramps up even they have to pick sides and a line they won't cross, as its proven with Farage v Lowe, Trump v Musk etc, I expect there to be casualties along the way from their own infighting.

As I say, I think the local council elections will give people an idea at how politically poor and prepared they are, only so much "blame the brown men" that someone can do when no one is answer your correspondence on matters that people care about

Is Farage MIA? He's likely no more MIA than any other party leader. The idea that the majority of MPs, let alone those with additional responsibilities within government, shadow government and party have time to respond pwrsonally to every communication they get from their constituents, plus represent them in Parliamentary debates and questions, plus scrutinise and vote on legislation, plus take part in Parliamentary committees, is rather fanciful. He's one person (as are all MPs) representing around 70-80,000 people.

As a new MP representing a new party that hasn't had experience of government, it's likely there HAVE been delays in responding to constituents compared to the incumbent MP that would have had a constituency office and a team of people working for them. Every MP is given an allowance to set up their constituency office and employ staff. This won't have been in place last summer and thinking about setting up a small business (which is effectively what they've had to do) and employ people and get through the inevitable backlog of correspondence (all without the established infrastructure and funding of the main political parties) I'm sure there have been problems. That's not being MIA. Farage appears to have been very active in Parliament and was actually always very active in the European Parliament when he was an MEP.

I imagine that the constituents that are up in arms are mainly the ones that hate him anyway.....

 

[johnola]

Just been reading up on the changes to be made here in Surrey’s community councils. We’re moving from a County Council and about a dozen borough councils, to a mayor and two unitary authorities - and so scrapping both the county council and the borough councils. First elections will be spring 2027.

We do need a powerful mayor to stop being screwed over by the airport (Heathrow and Gatwick) expansion plans.

There is some alternative proposals that Gatwick Airport/Crawley get subsumed into Eastern Surrey.

Quite a big change stemming from devolution.

 

[Grays_1890]

Is Farage MIA? He's likely no more MIA than any other party leader. The idea that the majority of MPs, let alone those with additional responsibilities within government, shadow government and party have time to respond pwrsonally to every communication they get from their constituents, plus represent them in Parliamentary debates and questions, plus scrutinise and vote on legislation, plus take part in Parliamentary committees, is rather fanciful. He's one person (as are all MPs) representing around 70-80,000 people.

As a new MP representing a new party that hasn't had experience of government, it's likely there HAVE been delays in responding to constituents compared to the incumbent MP that would have had a constituency office and a team of people working for them. Every MP is given an allowance to set up their constituency office and employ staff. This won't have been in place last summer and thinking about setting up a small business (which is effectively what they've had to do) and employ people and get through the inevitable backlog of correspondence (all without the established infrastructure and funding of the main political parties) I'm sure there have been problems. That's not being MIA. Farage appears to have been very active in Parliament and was actually always very active in the European Parliament when he was an MEP.

I imagine that the constituents that are up in arms are mainly the ones that hate him anyway.....

Known as the laziest MEP in Europe for his record at the time.......

By far the richest in earnings MP out there because of ........... devotion to activities outside his role of MP#

Active in PR but like all grifters........lacks substance.

BTW Farage is one of the worlds great political talkers but there is absolutely no chance IMO that a party made up of the likes of Lee Anderson and The grand high knight of Southampton in Rupert Lowe have a long term future as the overall leaders of this country. Only so far narration can take you

 

[LutonSpurs]

Although clearly that post is designed to goad the great unwashed. We aren't in the EU anymore, so why put something out with the mayor of our capital city stood in fromt of an EU flag. And actually that flag has never represented "being European", given that there are generally 44 independent sovereign states recognised within what is classed as the continent of Europe, of which only just over half are in the EU. Probably more LBC's decision than Khan's although I'm sure he signed up for it, but to an extent you can't put something triggering/goading like that and not expect a load of unwanted to crawl out the swamp. It's what our politics is right now, decisive, and our politicians are as responsible for that as much as anyone.....

This doesn't explain racism and if an EU flag makes English people angry at Muslims then I'm even more confused at your silly explanation.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Just been reading up on the changes to be made here in Surrey’s community councils. We’re moving from a County Council and about a dozen borough councils, to a mayor and two unitary authorities - and so scrapping both the county council and the borough councils. First elections will be spring 2027.

We do need a powerful mayor to stop being screwed over by the airport (Heathrow and Gatwick) expansion plans.

There is some alternative proposals that Gatwick Airport/Crawley get subsumed into Eastern Surrey.

Quite a big change stemming from devolution.

I don't think the concept really works outside of cities. County councils work fine for the rest of the country.

 

[Diamond Lights]

Is Farage MIA? He's likely no more MIA than any other party leader. The idea that the majority of MPs, let alone those with additional responsibilities within government, shadow government and party have time to respond pwrsonally to every communication they get from their constituents, plus represent them in Parliamentary debates and questions, plus scrutinise and vote on legislation, plus take part in Parliamentary committees, is rather fanciful. He's one person (as are all MPs) representing around 70-80,000 people.

As a new MP representing a new party that hasn't had experience of government, it's likely there HAVE been delays in responding to constituents compared to the incumbent MP that would have had a constituency office and a team of people working for them. Every MP is given an allowance to set up their constituency office and employ staff. This won't have been in place last summer and thinking about setting up a small business (which is effectively what they've had to do) and employ people and get through the inevitable backlog of correspondence (all without the established infrastructure and funding of the main political parties) I'm sure there have been problems. That's not being MIA. Farage appears to have been very active in Parliament and was actually always very active in the European Parliament when he was an MEP.

I imagine that the constituents that are up in arms are mainly the ones that hate him anyway.....

You see. this is what i mean. Exactly this. No matter what the bloke does, you'll get people still cheering him from the rafters despite the evidence to their own eyes. "No no, he's not MIA, he's been busy".

He couldn't be arsed to attend the Border Security, Asylum, and Immigration bill in Parliament but that same evening he was OK to host his evening radio show.

He didn't hold a single Constituency Surgery months after election, not even sure he's held any to date but in the first 5 or so months he definitely didn't.

He could literally take a dump in Silly's garden and Silly would be like "did you hear Farage is handing out free fertilizer, what a guy".

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Known as the laziest MEP in Europe for his record at the time.......

By far the richest in earnings MP out there because of ........... devotion to activities outside his role of MP#

Active in PR but like all grifters........lacks substance.

BTW Farage is one of the worlds great political talkers but there is absolutely no chance IMO that a party made up of the likes of Lee Anderson and The grand high knight of Southampton in Rupert Lowe have a long term future as the overall leaders of this country. Only so far narration can take you

This is the country that put a fool on a light entertainment programme as Prime Minister. The majority of electorate are simpletons.

 

[monkeybarry]

Best thing to happen is Reform getting a small level of power in local elections which will show people how little they do and how politically incompetent they are................Farage getting panned by locals for his performance as their MP, no chance he retains that seat

"We've voted for change".....
....like, Andrea Jenkins....

Good to see a nice new fresh political figure around

 

[Grays_1890]

"We've voted for change".....
....like, Andrea Jenkins....

Good to see a nice new fresh political figure around

Haha opening a Fete near you............

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

This doesn't explain racism and if an EU flag makes English people angry at Muslims then I'm even more confused at your silly explanation.

It's fairly easy to explain racism. Unfortunately the great unwashed keyboard warriors safe behind their screens will indulge in it.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

You see. this is what i mean. Exactly this. No matter what the bloke does, you'll get people still cheering him from the rafters despite the evidence to their own eyes. "No no, he's not MIA, he's been busy".

He couldn't be arsed to attend the Border Security, Asylum, and Immigration bill in Parliament but that same evening he was OK to host his evening radio show.

He didn't hold a single Constituency Surgery months after election, not even sure he's held any to date but in the first 5 or so months he definitely didn't.

He could literally take a dump in Silly's garden and Silly would be like "did you hear Farage is handing out free fertilizer, what a guy".

How many constituency surgeries has Ed Davey attended recently? Just for example.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

This is the country that put a fool on a light entertainment programme as Prime Minister. The majority of electorate are simpletons.

Winston Churchill: "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter"

 

[Glenda's Legs]

It's fairly easy to explain racism. Unfortunately the great unwashed keyboard warriors safe behind their screens will indulge in it.

But that doesn’t justify blaming the recipient of the racist remarks for “goading” those same racists.

 

[Grays_1890]

How many constituency surgeries has Ed Davey attended recently? Just for example.

Once or twice a week pre Covid as I lived in his constituency, I don't live there now so could not tell you. But as someone who is not a Lib Dem you can't fault his commitment to local issues for which he is responsible or at least couldn't at the time.

He was also running online clinics to help local businesses, considering its the modern world I think thats a smart way.

 

[Grays_1890]

But that doesn’t justify blaming the recipient of the racist remarks for “goading” those same racists.

The responsibility lies squarely on the racists. I find the "goaded by a flag" a massively weak argument for it.

 

[monkeybarry]

Haha opening a Fete near you............

On the plus side, and I mean this sincerely - hopefully this will result in greater engagement and scrutiny in local level politics.

I suspect not, but hopefully.
This will a vote by appx 25% of England - so not really representative of anything except disillusionment.
We've been in the collapse of capitalism and democracy for 10/20 years - we'll continue to see this kind of use of "democracy" for a while yet; people voting against the incubant, but also having no decent answers to the problem they perceive and no patience to see results.

The move towards Oligarchy will keep increasing. Whether it replaces "democracy" or whether democracy can adapt will be interesting.

It's no secret I voted remain.
But I did make that final call with a pencil in my hand - the only condition upon leave being appealing to me was a reframing of the UK political system (that was also my argument for not having a referendum - sort out issues out first, then look at our EU relationship).

We are on that path.
Everyone is framing this as a Labour loss. It's not - it's accurate. Labours election was partly sized with "not the Tories" votes.
These votes are now reflected at a local level - the Tories have lost councils to Reform. That's just a different shade of conservativism.

Hopefully this is a move towards more of a multi party state. Reform now have to show who they actually are in politics - locally and in the Commons. That's really healthy. An alternative voice on "the right" is a good thing for democracy.

 

[monkeybarry]

Winston Churchill: "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter"

So much truth and irony in that sentence.
Proved by the counter balance - the election of Churchill at the right time.

Humans are excellent at making fight or flight decisions.
It's the Inbetween that's the issue!

 

[Grays_1890]

On the plus side, and I mean this sincerely - hopefully this will result in greater engagement and scrutiny in local level politics.

I suspect not, but hopefully.
This will a vote by appx 25% of England - so not really representative of anything except disillusionment.
We've been in the collapse of capitalism and democracy for 10/20 years - we'll continue to see this kind of use of "democracy" for a while yet; people voting against the incubant, but also having no decent answers to the problem they perceive and no patience to see results.

The move towards Oligarchy will keep increasing. Whether it replaces "democracy" or whether democracy can adapt will be interesting.

It's no secret I voted remain.
But I did make that final call with a pencil in my hand - the only condition upon leave being appealing to me was a reframing of the UK political system (that was also my argument for not having a referendum - sort out issues out first, then look at our EU relationship).

We are on that path.
Everyone is framing this as a Labour loss. It's not - it's accurate. Labours election was partly sized with "not the Tories" votes.
These votes are now reflected at a local level - the Tories have lost councils to Reform. That's just a different shade of conservativism.

Hopefully this is a move towards more of a multi party state. Reform now have to show who they actually are in politics - locally and in the Commons. That's really healthy. An alternative voice on "the right" is a good thing for democracy.

The last bit is key.

Look all jokes aside people feel unheard and even if many are hypocritical racists who have nonced as many kids as anyone like the EDL you have to engage things regardless how ridiculous it is or the outcome

BUT take my takes on Reform, they are gaining power so now we will see the depth and substance behind the bluster.........its easy to play up to the populous and the discord but harder to be a person of substance who has the political nerve and acumen to succeed and serve the people

Trump played a worldly PR wise, played up to the people and those in market........but even though, given the reports today have seen through his political BS.

Lets see what Reform have..............I have my doubts given Ukip and the mess they left in Thanet

 

[Glenda's Legs]

How many constituency surgeries has Ed Davey attended recently? Just for example.

A quick google doesn’t answer that question but does tell me that due to his busy schedule constituents will need to make an appointment to meet with Ed, which seems fair enough. Nothing similar comes up for Farage in Clacton (although it may just not be so well publicised). Ed Davey does appear to have a constituency team around him - less clear if Farage has that (which he surely should by now). Google does however bring back mention of Farage saying he had been advised not to hold surgeries, with that proclaimed “advice” subsequently showing to not actually being the case.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

But that doesn’t justify blaming the recipient of the racist remarks for “goading” those same racists.

Unsure i was blaming. Just saying that it's a provocative article and a provocative picture and it's brought out the worst in society and our politics is unfortunately descending into this kind of irreversibly divisive direction. Just for example, the reply to my challenge on Farage being MIA being that I am an example of the fact that whatever Farage does there will be people like me supporting him when:
- the poster didn't stop to consider whether the opposite was true of him - that whatever Farage does he will always find issue with it because he's fundamentally a character that grinds his gears..
- I never said I supported Farage...just found it interesting that Farage was being singled out as a party leader that is also expected to be present for long periods at a local constituency level when I doubt any other MP with responsibilities on top of being an MP will be much different...and its again kind of this "isn't it so ghastly" when Ed Davey is touring the country filming himself riding on roller coasters .....