Gazza
Jimmy Neighbour
Birth rates and immigration are playing a key role
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glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
Yes, an increasing percentage. But NOT to the level of a majority imo
Grays_1890
Les Howe
Arsenal having spend a small fortune and having not won a trophy in what's now, is it 5 years.....shows exactly how hard it is to win something
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
It is indeed hard. But it's not without trying: no-one can say Arteta hasn't been backed...
Grays_1890
Les Howe
But it's a failure of huge money and having nothing to show for it still......
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
I think you have forgotten about their two statement Charity Shield wins !!!
I think your are mixing up a few things
- Just spending money with ambition
- Bad/poor decisions with lack of ambition or nous (easy example, Ange is a mistake, hiring an attacking coach who had won trophies and backing him financially is not lack of ambition)
- More importantly where does this money come from?
- And the idea that just spending x, or buying y player will make the difference (to @Grays_1890 point, yes Arsenal spent 100M on Rice for what? to win what exactly?)
To your specific points
- Why would Isak come to Spurs? he will have bigger options as will any established/proven player above a certain level
- Another LB or using Spence is really a prioritization choice, not ambition question, we have spent 45M on Porro (top price for FB), so we can
- DM/#6, yes, everyone except the coach agrees (so again not ambition)
- LCB? we already have Romero, Danso, Dragusin, VDV, Davies, with Philips and Vuskovich to be evaluated, if we move on someone, yes, replacement needed incoming
- All noise out of club is we plan to make Tel permanent
This season we bought Solanke (expensive purchase), Gray, Danso & Wilson (mid level), Kinsky, Bergvall, Yang (cheaper side)
Previous season, we bought Johnson (expensive), Maddison & VDV (mid level), Vic, Dragusin, Veliz (cheaper side)
Prior to that we bought Richi, Porro, etc. There is a trend of buying post stadium/covid
So going back to expectations/what we can expect this summer
- I'd expect a ~60M signing, plus a couple of mid level, plus a few cheap or two
- Based on that, we could do what you asked (minus Isak) as part of business as usual, again with some prioritization going on
My last question is - what money we claim to have? media/fans run clickbait posts/links to articles that talk about Spurs increase in revenue, room in PSR, previously profit (not so much now), what is missing is any real data showing Spurs is sitting on cash to spend.
Statistics and data.
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
Can you point me in the direction of these that make you think this?
i'll stop posting her on the topic after that
Gazza
Jimmy Neighbour
Yes but they do look quite a serious team and have spanked us of late. They are ambitious in the market but fail to address their striker situation. If they do buy a striker this summer, make no mistake they will win trophies.
Currently they are embarrassing us in how a football club runs when in harmony.
I'd argue if they don't win something this year, it's a failure of process/strategy. This was their season, City, Chelsea, us & Saudi Sportswashing Machine out of frame, Liverpool having a manager transition.
- 5 years & ~$800M+ on a manager that has won nothing in any of the full seasons he's been in charge, kept them out of any European football for two seasons and has consistently bottled any real opportunity.
There is a very strong argument (see Slot) that either keeping Emery and giving him the same money they gave Arteta, or firing Arteta after 2nd season and giving new guy the money would have been a more successful strategy.
Look at any statistics. Office of national statistics for one. Islam in the uk is growing year on year as a percentage of population. It isn't stopping. It's getting faster.
glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
I don't believe Ange was even our 2nd choice; I still don't believe we are any more attractive than the summer when we brought in Nuno (we had a firing Son and albeit a Kane who was angling to leave; but still more firepower than we have now)
Our stadium, so we often state here
Let's wait to see what happens in the CL before we answer this shall we? Regardless, it was ambition and if we'd done a similar transfer they'd no doubt be many amongst us saying the same re ENIC and how they spend, show ambition etc
Money talks, bs walks. If we get CL then potentially the gap between us and other suitors narrows heavily. Then add the London glitz factor etc
Soence was not bought to be a LB, he is a RB or a RWB. If we are serious about pushing on we have to give the likes of Udogie actual direct competition
Let's see. It's been a gap for a while, so when he goes let's see if we actually get bonafide ready to go one (or just say 'No need, Grey can just do a job there')
Both Danso and Dragusin will likely be viewed as Romero replacements already present. However, with all those guys none are direct rotation optins for MVDV..again let's see what happens as MVDV needs a rotation option for sure...
Fingers crossed
All on relatively smaller wages than the squads we've had previously. Compare the wages spent by Arsenal when they finished 5th behind us in 2022.
I was going to write some response to this last bit but then i came cross this:
Tottenham Hotspur are facing the prospect of having to sell to buy this summer, despite the fact the club could spend over £200 million without breaching profit and sustainability rules(PSR).
Without a significant injection of cash from owners Enic, Spurs are facing a tough summer of trading which is threatening to severely affect the club’s head coach – whether that is Ange Postecoglou or a new appointment.
Spurs are 16th in the table and equalled their record for 19 Premier League defeats in a single season with their latest loss against champions Liverpool at Anfield.
Champions League qualification through winning the Europa League would improve the situation, but Atletico Madrid target Cristian Romero or at least one other leading player may have to be sold to generate transfer funds.
Tottenham were one of the Premier League’s highest spenders last summer. And according to the last set of accounts that were first broken down by The Athletic, the club’s net transfer debt – money owed to Spurs minus money they are still to pay out – was £279.3 million.
That puts the club and those responsible for trying to improve the squad in an incredibly difficult position, particularly coupled with Tottenham’s wage structure which is one of the strictest in Europe.
A well-placed source confirmed to Telegraph Sport that the club will most likely have to sell to buy this summer, which will raise question marks over the futures of a host of players including Romero, Richarlison and Yves Bissouma.
Enic provided £122.1 million in owner funding since their 2001 takeover to June 2024, the equivalent of just £5.3 million per season. The majority of that came from a £97.5 million share issue in May 2022, which had initially been announced as being worth up to £150 million.
Since Enic’s £97.5 million share issue, a total of 13 English clubs received more owner funding, while the owners of Tottenham’s rivals Aston Villa have poured over £600 million into the club since their takeover in 2018.
Enic did invest £35 million into the club in January, but under-fire chairman Daniel Levymade it clear that Tottenham will not spend money they do not have, despite their ability to do so within PSR guidelines.
In the last set of accounts, Levy said: “We cannot spend what we do not have, and we will not compromise the financial stability of this club – indeed, our off-pitch revenues have significantly supplemented the lower football revenues this year, testament to our diversified income strategy.”
Levy added: “Since opening our new stadium in April 2019, we have invested over £700 million net in player acquisitions. Recruitment remains a key focus, and we must ensure that we make smart purchases within our financial means. I often read calls for us to spend more, given that we are ranked as the ninth-richest club in the world. However, a closer examination of today’s financial figures reveals that such spending must be sustainable in the long term and within our operating revenues. Our capacity to generate recurring revenues determines our spending power.”
Tottenham supporters will hold their fourth major protest against Enic and Levy at the club’s next home league game against Crystal Palace on May 11. The “Change for Tottenham” group has organised another pre-match march and is also urging supporters to take part in an in-stadium demonstration.
Change for Tottenham wants supporters to wear yellow to the game and delay returning to their seats at the start of the second half to visibly signal their dissatisfaction at the running of the club
Discuss....
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glorygloryeze
Steffen Freund
Thanks for sharing. I think there'll be a plateau and we also need to see the changes in other religions to really get a good picture.
But i'll stop there. we can pick this up in one of the other threads, such as the Politics one perhaps
Anyway, back to ENIC and their lack of footballing nous/ambition
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Gazza
Jimmy Neighbour
Can’t disagree with that however, if they are learning from their mistakes …
And our season? What were our objectives this season? Avoid relegation? We are a success and they are a failure?
Our season is an utter fudging disaster mate, even if we win EL (and yes, I know that will be controversial). We are going to need to hit a huge reset this summer and the accountability may need to go beyond the manager (as I've stated elsewhere). Our failures this season will probably set us back 2-3 years. I'd assume our objectives this season were European qualification by league position, plus progress in cups (trophy being a bonus), I'd also assume that since we made a bet on youth (Gray, Bergvall, Wilson) and took some risks re depth that there probably was an acknowledgment that the season might be slightly behind last (so maybe 7th instead of 5th, with expectation those players would put us in a better position long term). There is no fudging way, anyone in the club (including Ange) would have floated outside of top 10 being acceptable under any circumstance.
Don't want to make it about the Scum but they are quickly becoming a very interesting example (and yes, I consider this year a significant failure for them, because it's about moments, they can't expect to be ahead of City/Liverpool/Chelsea every season, so when they get the window, they have to take it, they haven't in the league this season). Assume they win nothing this season, what do you do? do you get rid of a manager who has got you almost there twice? do you buy a WC striker and get new manager (again see Slot example as comparison), or do you allow Arteta another shot (where he also influences the transfer strategy), what happens if they finish 2nd again or third? See, it's not as simple as people make out.
ricky2tricky4city
Nayim
.....well apart from a player like Isak
Lemonade Money
Nayim
Do arsenal make statement statements?