Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[Finney Is Back]

Nah, the Walker / Naughton deals were already agreed when Harry accepted the job. He had nothing to do with them.

In fact, Naughton became the stereotypical Spurs squad player. Harry wouldn't admit that the club needed to sell him as he wasn't up to it. He just kept leaving him in the squad, when he wasn't on one of his many loans. If you could sum up Harry's stockpiling in one player it was Naughton.

Not true. Redknapp joined Spurs in October 2008. Spurs signed Walker and Naughton in summer 2009.

Re: Naughton. Redknapp mostly had him out on loan. However Naughton was also kept around by AVB (24 games in 2012-13 season and 34 in 2013-14 season). He then made 11 appearances for Pochettino in the first half of the 2014-15 season before being sold to Swansea with Spurs earning a transfer profit on him. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Naughton signing at all, or Redknapp sending him on several loans.

I would argue that he was actually a good signing in that he was young, played a part for several managers and was sold on for a profit when Spurs were in a different (better) position the one they were in when Redknapp signed him.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Not true. Redknapp joined Spurs in October 2008. Spurs signed Walker and Naughton in summer 2009.

Re: Naughton. Redknapp mostly had him out on loan. However Naughton was also kept around by AVB (24 games in 2012-13 season and 34 in 2013-14 season). He then made 11 appearances for Pochettino in the first half of the 2014-15 season before being sold to Swansea with Spurs earning a transfer profit on him. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Naughton signing at all, or Redknapp sending him on several loans.

I would argue that he was actually a good signing in that he was young, played a part for several managers and was sold on for a profit when Spurs were in a different (better) position the one they were in when Redknapp signed him.

Replying to my own post here ....

I totted up the fees of all the players Redknapp signed and how much Spurs ended up selling them for. Redknapp spent a grand total of £109m on players for Spurs. Those same players he brought in were sold for a total of: £122m

Redknapp basically took us to the top 4 on pretty much a shoestring.

 

[Muttley]

Not true. Redknapp joined Spurs in October 2008. Spurs signed Walker and Naughton in summer 2009.

Re: Naughton. Redknapp mostly had him out on loan. However Naughton was also kept around by AVB (24 games in 2012-13 season and 34 in 2013-14 season). He then made 11 appearances for Pochettino in the first half of the 2014-15 season before being sold to Swansea with Spurs earning a transfer profit on him. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Naughton signing at all, or Redknapp sending him on several loans.

I would argue that he was actually a good signing in that he was young, played a part for several managers and was sold on for a profit when Spurs were in a different (better) position the one they were in when Redknapp signed him.

OK, I just remember conversation at the time that Spurs had been tracking the Sheff Utd boys prior to Harry joining. Their signings aren't credit to Harry. It's credit to our recruitment team even though it was in Harry's tenure. I remembered it slightly wrong.

To be clear, there was nothing wrong with the Naughton signing in the first place. When he was 23/24 and still on loan (which he was) then there is a problem. We had seen enough to know that his level wasn't where we wanted to be and that was proven out with the rest of his career. I've never had a problem with Spurs taking punts on these types of players. They shouldn't be doing 6 years at our club if they're not making the grade though. That is what kept us mediocre. We have to allow them to fail quickly and move on.

The profit perspective is dubious as well. We spent £9m for Naughton and Walker. We carried Naughton on the payroll for 6 years, with some subsidy from loans, and he would been at least half that £9m. I always think profit in terms of 1st team impact as well. There wasn't really any even though he was a good pro.

 

[Muttley]

Replying to my own post here ....

I totted up the fees of all the players Redknapp signed and how much Spurs ended up selling them for. Redknapp spent a grand total of £109m on players for Spurs. Those same players he brought in were sold for a total of: £122m

Redknapp basically took us to the top 4 on pretty much a shoestring.

From memory, he took our wage bill up by £35m in the CL season and it stayed there. It was the stockpiling of players that meant he spent the rest of his transfer budget on salaries. Him and Levy were a car crash in that respect. Our 1st team squad could have been so much better if we had shorn it of the deadwood and kept squad numbers optimised.

 

[Finney Is Back]

OK, I just remember conversation at the time that Spurs had been tracking the Sheff Utd boys prior to Harry joining. Their signings aren't credit to Harry. It's credit to our recruitment team even though it was in Harry's tenure. I remembered it slightly wrong.

To be clear, there was nothing wrong with the Naughton signing in the first place. When he was 23/24 and still on loan (which he was) then there is a problem. We had seen enough to know that his level wasn't where we wanted to be and that was proven out with the rest of his career. I've never had a problem with Spurs taking punts on these types of players. They shouldn't be doing 6 years at our club if they're not making the grade though. That is what kept us mediocre. We have to allow them to fail quickly and move on.

The profit perspective is dubious as well. We spent £9m for Naughton and Walker. We carried Naughton on the payroll for 6 years, with some subsidy from loans, and he would been at least half that £9m. I always think profit in terms of 1st team impact as well. There wasn't really any even though he was a good pro.

Lots of clubs track lots of players all of the time. The facts are that Redknapp arrived at Spurs in October 2008 and we agreed deals for Naughton and Walker in July 2009. Ergo - Redknapp was signing off on them being purchased.

Again, nothing wrong with signing Naughton or him going out on loan. AVB, Sherwood and Pochettino all used him while they were managing Spurs and we made a profit on his when selling him.

The profit perspective is not dubious at all. We paid £5m for Naughton and sold him for £5.6m. We also received a bunch of loan fees for him along the way.

The facts of the matter are that after doing a great job in his first season taking us from the relegation places to the brink of Europe, Rednapp then gave us finishes of 4th, 5th, 4th in his 3 full seasons at Spurs. He also spent only £109m in transfer fees to get us there (with us then recouping a total of £122m on those players when sold.

He did a fantastic job at Spurs, with average backing from the board. Sacking him when we did was a silly move.

 

[Lilbaz]

Lots of clubs track lots of players all of the time. The facts are that Redknapp arrived at Spurs in October 2008 and we agreed deals for Naughton and Walker in July 2009. Ergo - Redknapp was signing off on them being purchased.

Again, nothing wrong with signing Naughton or him going out on loan. AVB, Sherwood and Pochettino all used him while they were managing Spurs and we made a profit on his when selling him.

The profit perspective is not dubious at all. We paid £5m for Naughton and sold him for £5.6m. We also received a bunch of loan fees for him along the way.

The facts of the matter are that after doing a great job in his first season taking us from the relegation places to the brink of Europe, Rednapp then gave us finishes of 4th, 5th, 4th in his 3 full seasons at Spurs. He also spent only £109m in transfer fees to get us there (with us then recouping a total of £122m on those players when sold.

He did a fantastic job at Spurs, with average backing from the board. Sacking him when we did was a silly move.

Agree with all of that. We also played the best football i've seen us play.

We need another redknapp to go into next season.

 

[tommysvr]

Most losses in a 38 game season they said - not just home

We're going to comfortably beat it this season, but I'm surprised how many people forget the 2003/04 season. We were absolutely dreadful then. Lost 19 games. The season of the 3-0 up against 10 men Emirates Marketing Project to lose 4-3.

https://thfcdb.com/seasons/2003-04/record



Oh and arsenal only went undefeated and won the league by 11 points that season.

 

[Gazza]

What about Scott Parker on loan for a month, now he's job done for the season with Burnley?

Mate you are one of the strangest posters on this forum … where do you get your ideas from? And more importantly do you actually believe them. You live in complete fantasy land

 

[Legohamster]

Interestingly Bruce Arena has just spoke out against Mopo being the US Manager, Arena is highly respected out there (was at least) and I imagine has close connections to the US FA.... I wonder if this is paving the way for a mutual parting between USA/Mopo

 

[thfcsteff]

Interestingly Bruce Arena has just spoke out against Mopo being the US Manager, Arena is highly respected out there (was at least) and I imagine has close connections to the US FA.... I wonder if this is paving the way for a mutual parting between USA/Mopo

Bruce Arena is a fudgeking bell-end. Really. Always has been.

 

[Daisuk]

Lots of clubs track lots of players all of the time. The facts are that Redknapp arrived at Spurs in October 2008 and we agreed deals for Naughton and Walker in July 2009. Ergo - Redknapp was signing off on them being purchased.

Again, nothing wrong with signing Naughton or him going out on loan. AVB, Sherwood and Pochettino all used him while they were managing Spurs and we made a profit on his when selling him.

The profit perspective is not dubious at all. We paid £5m for Naughton and sold him for £5.6m. We also received a bunch of loan fees for him along the way.

The facts of the matter are that after doing a great job in his first season taking us from the relegation places to the brink of Europe, Rednapp then gave us finishes of 4th, 5th, 4th in his 3 full seasons at Spurs. He also spent only £109m in transfer fees to get us there (with us then recouping a total of £122m on those players when sold.

He did a fantastic job at Spurs, with average backing from the board. Sacking him when we did was a silly move.

Agreed. So he wagged his tail a bit for the England job after four years with us - managers get sacked all the time for doing poorly, why should we expect anything else from managers doing well? Why wouldn’t they want to take a step up? I would prefer a completely loyal one, obviously, but loyalty is a scarce resource in modern day football, sadly. Redknapp did an excellent job for us, and we played some fantastic football under him.

 

[Bishop]

Agreed. So he wagged his tail a bit for the England job after four years with us - managers get sacked all the time for doing poorly, why should we expect anything else from managers doing well? Why wouldn’t they want to take a step up? I would prefer a completely loyal one, obviously, but loyalty is a scarce resource in modern day football, sadly. Redknapp did an excellent job for us, and we played some fantastic football under him.

Harry also wasn't stupid, he knew intimately the limitations and restrictions the club put on its ambitions. As that famous January window of Saha and Nelson demonstrated. I have no problem with him flirting with England, he didn't get the opportunity too bad, that's not a reason to sack a on the pitch successful manager. Especially not if the plan is to replace him with over hyped prospect but yet another failed Chelsea manager in AVB. That's the part so many forget, Levy was again chasing that pretty glittery coach he had been successful elsewhere and sacked the incumbent who actually worked well under him.

 

[billyiddo]

Redknapp over played his hand after being passed over by England - went in hard with the club over a new contract having just fudged our season. A bit of humility and he'd have likely seen it through.

 

[Lilbaz]

Harry also wasn't stupid, he knew intimately the limitations and restrictions the club put on its ambitions. As that famous January window of Saha and Nelson demonstrated. I have no problem with him flirting with England, he didn't get the opportunity too bad, that's not a reason to sack a on the pitch successful manager. Especially not if the plan is to replace him with over hyped prospect but yet another failed Chelsea manager in AVB. That's the part so many forget, Levy was again chasing that pretty glittery coach he had been successful elsewhere and sacked the incumbent who actually worked well under him.

Allegedly levy didn't sack him. Lewis did. Levy was havingvtime off as his mother died. Lewis was over looking after things.

 

[Baleforce]

Agreed. So he wagged his tail a bit for the England job after four years with us - managers get sacked all the time for doing poorly, why should we expect anything else from managers doing well? Why wouldn’t they want to take a step up? I would prefer a completely loyal one, obviously, but loyalty is a scarce resource in modern day football, sadly. Redknapp did an excellent job for us, and we played some fantastic football under him.

International football is not a step up from the PL.

It’s about 5 steps down.

 

[Muttley]

I went back and looked at Harry's final squad:

Friedel, Gomes, Cudicini
Kaboul, Gallas, Dawson, King, Walker, Ekotto, Nelson, Khumalo, Rose
Bale, Huddlestone, Lennon, Parker, Modric, Kranjcaer, Livermore, Sandro, Bentley
Defoe, VDV, Adebayor, Saha, Dos Santos

On loan: Caulker, Naughton (shock), Corluka, Smith, Pienaar, Bassong, Townsend, Carroll, Kane, Mason

It's mostly a bunch of old men. Even Dawson was 29 as Harry left. Probably 10 players 30 or over.

If he had stayed, he would have had to turn 35 players into 25 knowing that some of his best players like Modric and VDV were leaving.

I think Harry would have been at his very best to coach the next team to similar performances, knowing budgets were tight.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I went back and looked at Harry's final squad:

Friedel, Gomes, Cudicini
Kaboul, Gallas, Dawson, King, Walker, Ekotto, Nelson, Khumalo, Rose
Bale, Huddlestone, Lennon, Parker, Modric, Kranjcaer, Livermore, Sandro, Bentley
Defoe, VDV, Adebayor, Saha, Dos Santos

On loan: Caulker, Naughton (shock), Corluka, Smith, Pienaar, Bassong, Townsend, Carroll, Kane, Mason

It's mostly a bunch of old men. Even Dawson was 29 as Harry left. Probably 10 players 30 or over.

If he had stayed, he would have had to turn 35 players into 25 knowing that some of his best players like Modric and VDV were leaving.

I think Harry would have been at his very best to coach the next team to similar performances, knowing budgets were tight.

I think we were better rapidly pivoting to youth and bringing in Verts, Lloris and Dembele etc. that summer

 

[Lilbaz]

I think we were better rapidly pivoting to youth and bringing in Verts, Lloris and Dembele etc. that summer

As had previously been said. The players harry bought were overall sold on for a profit. If he'd have stayed he'd have sold a few and brought more in. As much as he didn't like it, he did have a reputution for being a wheeler dealer.

How many players bought under poch went for a profit?

 

[Muttley]

I think we were better rapidly pivoting to youth and bringing in Verts, Lloris and Dembele etc. that summer

For me, that was one of our best summers ever - Hugo, Verts, Dembele, Siggy, Dempsey although we made a mistake signing Adebayor permanently. Of course that was only achieved with the Modric, VDV, Corluka, Kranjcaer money. We still ended the summer with zero net spending.

 

[Bishop]

Redknapp over played his hand after being passed over by England - went in hard with the club over a new contract having just fudged our season. A bit of humility and he'd have likely seen it through.

You're Daniel Levy, do you do what is best for the club or do you let your pride or ego make your decisions for you...