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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 72 41.1%

  • Out

    Votes: 103 58.9%
  • Total voters
    175
Raziel said:
Super difficult, this is pressure/burn out, it happens in high profile jobs.

Really hard to pull someone back once they hit this mental stage, often a job (and company) change is required to reset. Ange is here now, Conte hit the same place, even Poch (not to derail but this one of the pieces people miss when they think we should have stuck with Poch).
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I was close to burnout myself. Luckily for me it coincided with a redundancy after a long tenure and a year off to recharge and reset. Interestingly in my next job, I shared an office with a good friend who is a trained psychologist. After listening to what had happened in my prior corporate life (at a huge global company) he was the one confirmed that I would have been very close to burnout. I think it is these life experiences that make you more tuned into what people like Ange are currently going through.

Whichever pressure over performance graph you use, it's clear that Ange isn't in his optimal place. Wherever he is from strained to stressed to distressed, it's not good for him. There are only 2 outcomes. The obvious one is that he loses his job and gets the recharge time. The other is that results start to come back in his favour and, whilst it will take time, he will hopefully come back into a good mental state again.

My guess is his wife is his bedrock right now.
 
Raziel said:
Super difficult, this is pressure/burn out, it happens in high profile jobs.

Really hard to pull someone back once they hit this mental stage, often a job (and company) change is required to reset. Ange is here now, Conte hit the same place, even Poch (not to derail but this one of the pieces people miss when they think we should have stuck with Poch).
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This is the bit not being given much (any) focus?.

The focus is on the tit for tat of the external pressures. The media, social media, the fans.

Ange is a positive, self confident, successful guy.
BUT he's staring down the barrel.
Staring at failure.
It's his internal pressure, the pressure he puts on himself that's eating him.
It's his beliefs failing.
It's a winner....losing.
I used to think he was comfortable in his own skin...he's not. Not in this situation.
(True warriors walk alone, no matter what)
He'll be mortified that the child in him is letting his dad down.

The external pressures only prod away at him. Prods at things that are contrary to his beliefs, the purity of the game, being positive etc. But at the heart of it is his internal struggle.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
This is the bit not being given much (any) focus?.

The focus is on the tit for tat of the external pressures. The media, social media, the fans.

Ange is a positive, self confident, successful guy.
BUT he's staring down the barrel.
Staring at failure.
It's his internal pressure, the pressure he puts on himself that's eating him.
It's his beliefs failing.
It's a winner....losing.
I used to think he was comfortable in his own skin...he's not. Not in this situation.
(True warriors walk alone, no matter what)
He'll be mortified that the child in him is letting his dad down.

The external pressures only prod away at him. Prods at things that are contrary to his beliefs, the purity of the game, being positive etc. But at the heart of it is his internal str
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I am not comparing him to normal day life, but you can be successful eveywhere you have been and just take the wrong job, GHod I have done it and you know, you just absolutely know whats coming down the pipe and its inevitable, human nature then just means you are crankier and or you change, like anything, we have all stared down that barrel I think at some point. I don't think its being comfortable in own skin, I think in football the majority of it is "right place right time"
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Nah....he gets the second leg regardless of result.

We ARE capable of big wins ... apparently it's the only kind of wins we do...so silly to not give him the return leg
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Copium mate, if we don't win by 2+ goals today we are fudged.

He should have been gone in Dec, buy hey, he might win the League Cup, ok, but hey we might win the FA cup, ok, but hey we might win the Europa League ??? and it will be hey, we lost the first leg but we will win an away leg in Europe ..

I'll happily eat my words if we progress even to next round, but anyone outside of Spurs fans can't think we are seriously in with a shot of winning this thing.
 
Raziel said:
Copium mate, if we don't win by 2+ goals today we are fudged.

He should have been gone in Dec, buy hey, he might win the League Cup, ok, but hey we might win the FA cup, ok, but hey we might win the Europa League ??? and it will be hey, we lost the first leg but we will win an away leg in Europe ..

I'll happily eat my words if we progress even to next round, but anyone outside of Spurs fans can't think we are seriously in with a shot of winning this thing.
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The part of me that does is still pinching myself half a decade later about how we got to a CL final.

The key date was 13 Feb 2019 when we beat Dortmund 3-0. From that point we got 11 points out of 33 points in the league. We were like wet lettuces at the weekends and like gladiators on the weekdays.

Whatever these guys have been holding in the tank for EL needs to come out tonight.
 
RigorMortis said:
Not sure about that. It was pretty much a given that with the level of experience Ange has, that he was a huge gamble and it’s on Levy that he fudged this up.

I’m struggling to think of any manager who has been successful in Scotland and then been a success in England since Ferguson.

Probably only Rodgers and O’Neil and even then they had premier league experience as well
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Indeed it was a gamble, and evidently one that hasn't paid off. I have no evidence of it, but all the rumours were that Ange was well down the list of desired managers, but the ones higher up weren't interested. I don't know where we look after the idiot is sacked, but I'm convinced they can't be any worse
 
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