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Bedfordspurs said:
I think fair play to them
They have got organised
Got some people out there getting their step count up
They are all saying the same things and promoting their cause
Just wish they had a plan for whatever outcome they want
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If they were serious they would pull together a consortium of investors, set out their alternative vision, and make an offer for the club.

Even get a pledge thing going - try at get 100,000 fans to pledge £5k each to buy a 20% share of club and as a step towards a fan ownership model.

But no - just moan about entitlement and abuse Koreans.
 
Gutter Boy said:
If they were serious they would pull together a consortium of investors, set out their alternative vision, and make an offer for the club.

Even get a pledge thing going - try at get 100,000 fans to pledge £5k each to buy a 20% share of club and as a step towards a fan ownership model.

But no - just moan about entitlement and abuse Koreans.
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The guys running it aren’t business people
They are normal fans
They wouldn’t know where to start to get investors
 
Gazza said:
It’s ok not a big deal people should be able to protest even if you agree or disagree.

It’s like the free Palestine bollox … don’t agree with the movement personally and don’t agree with the burden on the tax payer but it is what it is
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Of course, I applaud their gumption and their numbers. I do think their messaging is confused at times and I think a number of their members let their side down. But I think they have done well for themselves
 
Grays_1890 said:
Of course, I applaud their gumption and their numbers. I do think their messaging is confused at times and I think a number of their members let their side down. But I think they have done well for themselves
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There message has no outcome
As i said a while back and they didn’t like it
It’s basically like brexit… we want something different but can’t tell you what
As long as very goes we’re happy, but we’re fine with him staying as long as something changes
Not sure what, but something
Sort out that and be clear on the outcome and they may have even more people rock up instead of podcasters
 
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Grays_1890 said:
The issue is the opposite, we make and spend a fortune......badly....this is why the protests don't work, the messaging doesn't reflect the reality. Concentrate on the failure on the pitch and not the money crap
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What's behind the the poor spending?

Management sets guidelines and policies, hire and sack decisions of key football personnel.
 
metalgear said:
What's behind the the poor spending?

Management sets guidelines and policies, hire and sack decisions of key football personnel.
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Not having the right structures and personnel in place. Thankfully that seems to be sorted with recent spending being much better and seeing us get some of the top young talent in Europe.
 
metalgear said:
What's behind the the poor spending?

Management sets guidelines and policies, hire and sack decisions of key football personnel.
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I think we buy good young players now, our spending has improved. I think where we fall foul is when we didn't make decisions or plan for moments (like Bale leaving, like Kane leaving) then we work backs to the wall, I like Solanke but at 65m I think its a proven, we paid over the odds for someone because we desperately needed someone. Thats when buys start to hurt, then hurt you long term because when you need to move on, who wants them for what you want? Thats not exclusively Solanke BTW, there is a history of players we have over paid for that we struggle to get rid

I think Tel would fall into that trap should we decide to pay 50m+ for him
 
DubSpur said:
Not having the right structures and personnel in place. Thankfully that seems to be sorted with recent spending being much better and seeing us get some of the top young talent in Europe.
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We get lange but looks like we're losing paratici.
We got Webb, Ange, Montgomery and Jedinak who are not only unproven in the top leagues but are all Australian where there isn't a rich (English ) football culture. Sure its hindsight, but it was to begin with, a big risk to take with our ambitions.

management decisions are still not convincing..
 
metalgear said:
We get lange but looks like we're losing paratici.
We got Webb, Ange, Montgomery and Jedinak who are not only unproven in the top leagues but are all Australian where there isn't a rich (English ) football culture. Sure its hindsight, but it was to begin with, a big risk to take with our ambitions.

management decisions are still not convincing..
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Paratici was gone already, just available for consulting work.

Don't know who Webb is, (maybe you mean Wells who is English), and Montgomery is Scottish. They are all part of the first team management and nothing to do with the spending. In the last 2-3 years the whole scouting dept has been more or less replaced and added to with more data driven analysis. That's leading to better outcomes with spending money.
 
DubSpur said:
Paratici was gone already, just available for consulting work.

Don't know who Webb is, (maybe you mean Wells who is English), and Montgomery is Scottish. They are all part of the first team management and nothing to do with the spending. In the last 2-3 years the whole scouting dept has been more or less replaced and added to with more data driven analysis. That's leading to better outcomes with spending money.
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He doesn't let facts/the truth get in the way of his opinions 😂
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think we buy good young players now, our spending has improved. I think where we fall foul is when we didn't make decisions or plan for moments (like Bale leaving, like Kane leaving) then we work backs to the wall, I like Solanke but at 65m I think its a proven, we paid over the odds for someone because we desperately needed someone. Thats when buys start to hurt, then hurt you long term because when you need to move on, who wants them for what you want? Thats not exclusively Solanke BTW, there is a history of players we have over paid for that we struggle to get rid

I think Tel would fall into that trap should we decide to pay 50m+ for him
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Not sure I'm totally with you. We extracted a £100m for a player who could have walked for free a year later. We then score more goals in 2 consecutive seasons without him. That £100m went on some key players like VDV, Venom etc that we just wouldn't have afforded without that money.

Where I do take your point though is that the biggest clubs have these players in place before the superstar leaves. I've never heard a Liverpool fan complain about losing Mane or Firmino. They miss them but at the same time learn to love Diaz, Jota etc.

That surely needs to be the next step in the journey for us.
 
Muttley said:
Not sure I'm totally with you. We extracted a £100m for a player who could have walked for free a year later. We then score more goals in 2 consecutive seasons without him. That £100m went on some key players like VDV, Venom etc that we just wouldn't have afforded without that money.

Where I do take your point though is that the biggest clubs have these players in place before the superstar leaves. I've never heard a Liverpool fan complain about losing Mane or Firmino. They miss them but at the same time learn to love Diaz, Jota etc.

That surely needs to be the next step in the journey for us.
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As an example that was though, I don't think in the best planning you go a year without replacing Kane within someone and when you wait a year the pressure is on and the knowledge is out. I think thats when we do our worst work. I think we did the same with Moura (albeit he had his moment in the sun) we did it with Aurier and I think in some respects we did it with Porro as we went conkers deep in trying to get a RWB and paid a fortune for one that can't defend. There are plenty of example of that IMO.

Like I say though, I think now we at least do better and seemingly have a plan with the best young talent thing we have going on
 
Lemonade Money said:
Can we see his strategic report when we were in CL, and they weren't?
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It’s pretty useless tbh because he tries compare like for like but the clubs are not the same
He talks about their filament about owner funding and ours about income from outside of football
That’s how we work and how they do too
 
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