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Tactics Thread

Muttley said:
We've said it all season. It's one of the reasons that opposition managers know how to setup against him. The other 2 pieces of the same equation is playing with a proper number 6 that does a total protection role versus pressing really high with the other 2. Secondly, it is also letting the wide forwards get more on the inside when the full-backs go on the outside.

This balance hasn't been found since Ange joined the club but perhaps could click quite quickly.
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I will say I have bemoaned the lack of a trustworthy 6 since last season. I do think his system as he likes it best can work but only with top players, and we simply will never stack the necessary quality to allow that to be. Your last point would certainly mean a shift. I would like there to be a little more 'Poch-era' vibe in attack where things were a little more fluid and flexible. That does also require great players; I will always believe Eze would've been a great signing for that reason.
 
thfcsteff said:
I will say I have bemoaned the lack of a trustworthy 6 since last season. I do think his system as he likes it best can work but only with top players, and we simply will never stack the necessary quality to allow that to be. Your last point would certainly mean a shift. I would like there to be a little more 'Poch-era' vibe in attack where things were a little more fluid and flexible. That does also require great players; I will always believe Eze would've been a great signing for that reason.
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Yeah, I think when the full-back comes on the inside midfield space then the midfielder goes. When the full-back goes on the overlap, then a midfielder needs to stay. It's easy for you or I to write this down but in the moment it seems hard for the current set of players to adopt. Poch just did it the other way. He gave Walker and Rose the remit to own their entire wide spaces up and down the pitch. His way of defending was to push the opposition back with their pace and power. Then if Walker had 2 of them concerned about him, then Dele and Eriksen got the space on the inside. However, in order to do that they had to stay on the move all the time and hence why those 2 were in the top 5 PL running stats for a few seasons.

What we now need is a hybrid of the two, and for 20 somethings to get the concept and execute it. It's why I think Ange's system has a higher ceiling than most managers out there. Problem with glass ceilings though, you can fall quickly.
 
Raziel said:
Not really .. The adjustment that would matter is in game management, that I haven't seen as a tactic

- e.g. When as in first half against United (or the infamous Brighton game), you are absolutely bossing it, go ahead, tear it up, be the league outlier in sprints/presses/etc.
- However, when the inevitable happens, when the opposition gets a little momentum swing (say, for more than 5 mins), give your players the option to just lower the block, become more compact, close the wide (FB) spaces and make it difficult for the opposition to create chances, look for the counter.
- Let them burn out, get control back, switch back to your high intensity.

If Ange could actually learn/implement that second point, we would be a much better team



That is a problem, I heard someone detail Pep's principles (even across all the changes) into two concepts
- Creating overloads (the false 9's. interchangeability of positions, committing players to attack)
- Creating isolations, purposely having 1:1 situations (trick here is, it required you have the better player to prevail in the 1:1)

Spurs can have very good teams and individual players, we can't however depend on a system that requires us to have the best players in the league.
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Our system requires anything but the best players in the league.
 
billyiddo said:
Interesting watch.

@glasgowspur this touches on how Maddison is used in the setup, I don't think in the early part of last season he was playing in this manner and seemed to be in a much free-er/all over the pitch type of role - so either he wasn't up to speed then in how Ange wanted us to play or the way we play has changed from then.
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I was ready to turn that off, glad I stuck with it.
A lot of that is spot on imho, the cohesion, synergy isn't for me on the injuries and constant changes, it's a lack of belief in the system and themselves.
The players that appear to successful in the squad, kulu, Romero, Porro, Spence, archie, Bergvall all have issues, lack of belief in themselves isn't one of them.
The players struggling, son, BJ, maddison, Biss, don't come across to me as the type that have that belief to back themselves in any situation.
 
I watched that too.

Not only is it a flawed system, it’s half a system, as nothing is factored in to how we defend after a turnover.
 
glasgowspur said:
I was ready to turn that off, glad I stuck with it.
A lot of that is spot on imho, the cohesion, synergy isn't for me on the injuries and constant changes, it's a lack of belief in the system and themselves.
The players that appear to successful in the squad, kulu, Romero, Porro, Spence, archie, Bergvall all have issues, lack of belief in themselves isn't one of them.
The players struggling, son, BJ, maddison, Biss, don't come across to me as the type that have that belief to back themselves in any situation.
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Mentally weak players struggle in any system that isn’t one they are familial with
 
GGyid said:
....because someone has leaked the secret of Angeball. That's why it isn't working.
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Hit fast balls into the channels behind the absent FBs, run with ball towards edge of box, cross to the far side where unmarked open attackers have a free chance at goal.

I really don't think anyone needs to leak the "secret" it's quite obvious how to combat us, pretty much everyone has been doing it.
 
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