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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 79 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 86 52.1%
  • Total voters
    165
Bedfordspurs said:
Nope
It’s a bad bad call too
The pool penalty wasn’t one imo
He clipped the defender but I saw why it was given
I don’t get some of the calls lately
The VVD elbow was clear midweek… clear because he took 2 goes at richy. Nothing from VAR.
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Funny how pool wanted Berg sent off for the clip of ankles (which he was lucky to stay on) wonder how many think vvd was lucky?
 
tommysvr said:
You’re literally complaining about winning games. It’s pathetic mate.
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That isn't what he was doing at all. He was adding some context to our points total before the injuries started to mount up to question the idea that because we were 6th (or whatever) that it meant we were on course to finish the season around that position. I'm sure you'd be quick to similarly add some context to our recent run of poor results in order to suggest we aren't as bad as they suggest.
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
Im actually going to UTD next week which I hope we can win and make us safer as they are toilet. My only worry is that when was the last time we beat UTD 3 times in a season? I dont even think it has ever happened but there is always a first, I guess.

That said, I havent been since Everton so we are surely due a win as I a bring us luck, joy and just overall positivity from one of the best Spurs fans out there*.

I think we have Ange in for a few more games, maybe until the end of the season.

As the dust has settled a bit from Thursday, I'd be happy with our start of the season form of win one, lose won, win one lose one, as that would keep us safe.

Write off the season, maybe get a cup win (but that looks unlikely now) and assess in the summer.


*this is up for debate
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You’re probably too young to remember but…

1989/90 under Venables. We beat them 2-1 at home to clinch 3rd (IIRC), 1-0 at theirs and 3-0 at OT in the League Cup. Again, IIRC that 3-0 was the night Terry Fenwick broke his leg.

As a 10 year old, I remember the joy of finding Radio 5 on my mother’s radio which was the size of a spaceship and many’s the night I clinged to the side of it listening to our games. Great memories which my son will never know as everything is on tv these days. Which, in fairness, is much better than having Alan Greene crackling through the airwaves and fading in and out but it built a special kind of love for the club and the game enduring that to follow us live.

Christ, I don’t half ramble on a bit…
 
DeanoAustin said:
You’re probably too young to remember but…

1989/90 under Venables. We beat them 2-1 at home to clinch 3rd (IIRC), 1-0 at theirs and 3-0 at OT in the League Cup. Again, IIRC that 3-0 was the night Terry Fenwick broke his leg.

As a 10 year old, I remember the joy of finding Radio 5 on my mother’s radio which was the size of a spaceship and many’s the night I clinged to the side of it listening to our games. Great memories which my son will never know as everything is on tv these days. Which, in fairness, is much better than having Alan Greene crackling through the airwaves and fading in and out but it built a special kind of love for the club and the game enduring that to follow us live.

Christ, I don’t half ramble on a bit…
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mate the amount of saturdays I would put on my AIWA midi hifi on 909, with Jonathan Pearce saying Reeady, Steadym, Teddy Sheringham scoring, gave me such a buzz. That and putting on Ceefax 301? to flip through the 3pm scores, or going into Dixons in Chelmsford high street to make it look like I was looking for a new walkman, but actually with ten other blokes and kids just checking the 3pm scores. Those are much better days than what we have now IMO. Football was purer back then, no social media, no tacos on a forum being negative.

Bring back those days I say.

Maybe when we pass over to the other side, we just float around reminiscing about the good times and re-visit them in a spiritual way.
 
Just on the whole: "have we only won games this season because the opposition has been sh**" versus "have we only lost games this season because of injuries and fatigue" i think the truth of the matter is like with many of these debates somewhere *inbetween*. I do feel like those that expect us to shoot up the form and points table when we get all our players back are going to be disappointed. We've not shown a good deal of consistency under this head coach at any period other than his first 10 games in charge.

As I've said previously I feel like for a Celtic, or even say for a Real Madrid, Bayern or Barcelona i think he could be a very good manager. I feel like he needs:
1) superior players to the opposition's
2) perfect players for his system
In order to build a consistent team.

I feel like in a really competitive league like the PL or Serie A that opposition are good enough to exploit the gaps in his system at a much more consistent level and also, his system is based on taking risks so when you're up against top opposition week in week out those risks are magnified in that when you take risks playing out from the back you're going to get caught more often.

In the PL when it all clicks it can be spectacular but we have not shown a consistent ability to grind out a result when not playing particularly well or when facing an opposition that are having a good day. Basically when we are having a bad day or we have injuries or suspensions we lose. And in this league that just isn't sustainable.
 
He said another of his mad things the other day, suggesting things are going swimmingly. I wish I could find it. He seems to believe, as Trump does, that simply thinking and saying positive things enacts positive results. Aiming for the league title last season, always getting a trophy in his second, etc.
 
Mikey10 said:
www.theguardian.com

Postecoglou cannot dream forever of tomorrow. Spurs need something today | David Hytner

After the Carabao Cup defeat by Liverpool, the season could have a hole blown in it by the time injured players return
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Good article and the bit about Postecoglu trading heavily on hope and being a very convincing communicator when he wants to is an insightful one. I do feel like other managers would have lost the dressing room by now as they continually follow instructions but results slide. However, up till recently there have been relatively few signs of player rumblings. Likewise, the fan base have remained behind him in significant numbers at a level of patience that hasn't been afforded to previous coaches. Even Pochettino had significant numbers turn on him relatively quickly despite years of promise previously.

I do think the point about Postecoglu saying that the team didn't do as he asked versus Liverpool is a sign of the cracks potentially appearing. If the players have decided to try do their own thing in a semi final as they are losing faith in the coach's methods to be able to deliver the results then he's now on a very slippery slope.

The leadership aspect is also a significant one for me. Making Sonny captain is a mistake. I think its one about branding and marketing rather than football. And then you think "well who would be the best captain in the squad?" And i struggle to see one to be honest. At this point the players showing the most leadership on and off the pitch appear to be Spence, Gray and Bergvall. That's depressing.
 
Kompakted said:
Good article and the bit about Postecoglu trading heavily on hope and being a very convincing communicator when he wants to is an insightful one. I do feel like other managers would have lost the dressing room by now as they continually follow instructions but results slide. However, up till recently there have been relatively few signs of player rumblings. Likewise, the fan base have remained behind him in significant numbers at a level of patience that hasn't been afforded to previous coaches. Even Pochettino had significant numbers turn on him relatively quickly despite years of promise previously.

I do think the point about Postecoglu saying that the team didn't do as he asked versus Liverpool is a sign of the cracks potentially appearing. If the players have decided to try do their own thing in a semi final as they are losing faith in the coach's methods to be able to deliver the results then he's now on a very slippery slope.

The leadership aspect is also a significant one for me. Making Sonny captain is a mistake. I think it’s one about branding and marketing rather than football. And then you think "well who would be the best captain in the squad?" And i struggle to see one to be honest. At this point the players showing the most leadership on and off the pitch appear to be Spence, Gray and Bergvall. That's depressing.
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Son’s getting slated at the moment for his performance as captain, and I understand why even if I don’t fully agree, but you don’t need the armband to show leadership and pretty much every one of our lads wilted under the lights at Anfield. The three in midfield were particularly disappointing on that score.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Son’s getting slated at the moment for his performance as captain, and I understand why even if I don’t fully agree, but you don’t need the armband to show leadership and pretty much every one of our lads wilted under the lights at Anfield. The three in midfield were particularly disappointing on that score.
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I'd agree with that to be fair.
 
We are out of the league, will be out of the FA cup in a few hours, and we are struggling against relegation, yet according to the poll 56% of members think we should keep Ange. Well guys, I hope you enjoy the Championship
 
DeanoAustin said:
It’s an absolute nothing season league-wise for the first time in a very long time. Every other season over the last 20, with a few games to go, we’ve had something to play for aside from the Ramos year where we won a league cup.

Unless we win a cup, it’s been a disaster.
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A complete disaster if we don’t win a cup ….a disaster regardless
 
Gazza said:
A complete disaster if we don’t win a cup ….a disaster regardless
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I think if we win a cup and stay up it could be spun as a qualified success. I'd have my doubts about it being a sustainable success but if we finished 15th and won the Europa League, if would give the fans and players and staff a great day. It would end our wait for a domestic and European trophy and it would qualify us for Europe next season. So it could definitely be spun as a success in the circumstances and that spin would be bought by a great many. And not completely unreasonably either it has to be said.
 
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