Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
Indeed. Over the course of my career I have stayed in several roles after my existing employer bettered an offer I’d had from another company who had headhunted me.
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Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
I think we have brought has quality
But we need about 4 more players who can play now
And I don’t care what positions TBH. Just bodies who can play ball the Ange way asap
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
I’ve done that
And tbh i have also regretted it because it wasn’t just money that made me consider leaving
I’m ok gardening leave now from a job where I was arguably too honest. But I’m 48 and way past caring about not doing the right thing. Already had a panicked phone call today from a country director asking for help
Companies and clubs will do what they think is right but also what covers someone elses arse
Chairman sack managers they don’t back
CEOs get rid of directors to change direction.. then recruit people to do their job with a different title
That is part of working life
DeanoAustin
Les Ferdinand
Were our losses any worse in those years than the other big clubs? United, as far as I know lost a hell of a lot more than us IIRC.
On the transfers, we have to take a 130m hit over the 5 years years those lads were signed for. So about 26m a season against revenue of 400m-550m. Something still not adding up here.
Exactly, jobs are like fudging ex'es, never go back. If I'm leaving, I'm leaving.
Sometimes change is needed for changes sake, and when you take over in a senior position, you either need to get people who are there to buy into your vision or you change them for your people (2nd one is easier)
This was PSR position in March of 2024
More specifics on Spurs
The only Premier League club to have posted a profit over three years, albeit a small one of £5 million. The club have invested £422.1 million in the playing squad since January 2022 with the likes of Rodrigo Bentancur (£17.1 million), Richarlison (£60 million), Yves Bissouma (£25 million), Cristian Romero (£45 million), James Maddison (£40 million) and Brennan Johnson (£47.5 million) have all arrived at the club in that time. Over the same period, the club received £154.6 million in outgoing transfer fees.
Hard to see even a 130M hit hurting us significantly as it's over 3 year period. And to your point, certainly no one doing better.
I don't know about the other clubs, I'm talking about Spurs. I'm talking about the point of "Levy won't pay big wages" when 1) we do pay big wages and 2) we pay pretty much the maximum we can pay and therefore if you go get a new owner tomorrow the wage bill isn't going to go up much, albeit we have given ourselves far more headroom than we had previously due to the squad restructure towards a younger up and coming profile on lower wages with more club trained and home grown players.
If he didn't rate him he wouldn't have used him, we've seen that enough both this season and last to know who he rates and doesn't. He was consistently used for the last half hour of games to close games out, he didn't utilise players like that who he didn't trust. He also did start some games, and the fact he was always fit and available was a skill as we are seeing right now and something that would have been useful for a player of his experience....
DeanoAustin
Les Ferdinand
The table @Raziel had posted above seems to show we are in the healthiest position in the league from a PSR perspective so we aren’t restricted on increasing our wage bill.
We pay decent wages but we pay the lowest percentage of our revenue in wages in the league. That’s a fact and has been for many years (bar one year IIRC when we were second lowest). That is what limits us from signing top players. It’s why we don’t get people like VVD, Rice or Haaland.
Levy has a clear strategy of keeping that ratio low (as he always has) and signing young players with potential who won’t demand big money and will have high resale value.
Mikey10
Steffen Iversen
Which is great - but we started quite a bit behind the clubs who win things, so we probably need to outspend them significantly for a while to bring ourselves level.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
Here are the rumoured wages we pay based on something i assume, from 22/23
You may wonder why I’ve selected that season and not the subsequent ones and it’s because we have accounts for that year which showed we paid out £250m in wages
Now I can’t quantify the difference factually but I assume it’s staff costs in top of these numbers such as managers and coaches plus other staff to run the club. If these numbers were true and our accounts are too, we have a running cost of the club in wages of £140m. That’s the number that added to the player wages goes into PSR.
It will be different now of course because players and coaches have come and gone
You may wonder why I’ve selected that season and not the subsequent ones and it’s because we have accounts for that year which showed we paid out £250m in wages
Now I can’t quantify the difference factually but I assume it’s staff costs in top of these numbers such as managers and coaches plus other staff to run the club. If these numbers were true and our accounts are too, we have a running cost of the club in wages of £140m. That’s the number that added to the player wages goes into PSR.
It will be different now of course because players and coaches have come and gone
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Kandi1977
Vic Buckingham
It's amazing that suddenly, two players that everyone wanted rid of are now, all of a sudden, the two players that would make all the difference for us.... Laughable! Yes, they'd be useful right now, but not because they're brilliant, but just because any semi competent PL player would help us now, because of lack of fit players.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
See my post in the fitness thread
Muttley
Neil Ruddock
Which 2 players?
Of all of the departees, the one that we need most right now is Japhet in my mind. I'm so happy to see him playing every week and getting great reviews. Club trained, talented and suited to Ange ball. He had to leave though.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
Not everyone.
DeanoAustin
Les Ferdinand
The other point is that infrastructure spend doesn't count towards PSR so the stadium debt doesn't cause us an issue from a PSR point of view.
The reason we don't pay better wages is because we don't want to.
If he rated him he wouldn't have moved him on at the end of the day.
Pretty sure Ange said he wanted him to stay but Hojberg wanted to leave to be a regular first team player and we got a decent bit of money for him.
Ange made it clear last season who he rated and who he didn't, he had a core of about 14 players he would use from the start/off the bench of which Hojberg was one and the rest were only ever used when we had real injury problems. It's pretty obvious he would have been of benefit this season, especially with Bissouma and Bentancur being wallies at different times this season. But it was a deal which made sense for everyone at the time....
Muttley
Neil Ruddock
My belief is that if you take our (total wagebill) and divide it by (revenue less the annual debt repayment) then the ratio is very comparable to the other clubs.
We service the stadium debt from the P&L and I thought that was now counting in PSR calculations because the project is complete.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
But it does cause an issue from an available funds POV.
We can’t spend what we don’t have.