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Was Levy right to sack AVB?
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Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
mate, some of us are still sick about Portsmouth poaching Brettell, we never move on
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indianspur
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AVB should never have been hired in the first place......Liverpool interviewed AVB, Martinez and Rodgers back in May 2012 and it looks like they absolutely got the right man. Rodgers has himself admitted that Spurs wanted him but he saw how unstable the Spurs job was and rejected it. The Spurs board had enough doubts about AVB after the Chels experience, but still went ahead and appointed him. Diabolical decision imo. Once Rodgers rejected us, we should have gone for Martinez if as it seems is the case we were looking for a young long term appointment. Chelsea were boring to watch under AVB, it was the same at Spurs with him charge.
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Arthur Rowe
these are all things only clearer with hindsight, lets not forget that since then Martinez has taken a team down are they on track to finish any higher than they did under Moyes last time anyway?
imo the jury is still very much out on Rodgers, last season he was a running joke with his envelopes and OK's, liverpool are doing well right now, but how much is it him, how much is it suarez and how much is it us and united shooting ourselves in the foot with a BFG-9000?
i'd say that at the time AVB was the logical choice from those 3, and he did then set us a record PL points total and at the time he was fired we were on course to equal it
imo the jury is still very much out on Rodgers, last season he was a running joke with his envelopes and OK's, liverpool are doing well right now, but how much is it him, how much is it suarez and how much is it us and united shooting ourselves in the foot with a BFG-9000?
i'd say that at the time AVB was the logical choice from those 3, and he did then set us a record PL points total and at the time he was fired we were on course to equal it
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indianspur
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apart from that, he didnt do too much wrong. Liverpool showed last season that they were building something, and in many games they were creating so many clear cut chances but were hitting posts and bars or keepers were making great saves. He has handled Suarez brilliantly despite all the problems, had made some really excellent buys in Sturridge and Coutinho (Coutinho was immense yesterday, the pass for Sturridges goal and a pass in the second half to Henderson were simply genius) and has managed to turn Henderson into a decent player. Rodgers has made mistakes in the transfer market too, but the overall picture is one of an upward trajectory. Just imagine what he could have done with our squad........
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indianspur
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what, you know that Liverpool scored more than us and conceded less than us in 2012-2013?? Despite such a poor season, they only finished 11 points behind us like i said because of games where they drew despite tearing the opposition apart. The signs that he was doing something right were there, 9 pts more than the previous season under Dalglish and 24 more goals scored.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
And his worst;
1. Playing dour football with no long term tactical master plan and losing the players with these odd tactics
2. Picking a fight with the press, but not being good enough to see it through
3. Picking a fight with the fans, but not being able to back it up with better results and football
4. Allowing a second soleless drubbing.
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indianspur
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5-picking fights with those at the club, Freund, Sherwood, the medical team......basically completely isolating himself like he actually couldnt give a fcuk and was looking to get out anyway.
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Arthur Rowe
much more this than the others, most fans and press are idiots who need putting back in their place
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
Re: Next Spurs Manager v.2
And he seemed have little intention of finishing. If you go into a meeting with your superiors and act the ****, tell them a straight 'no' to their suggestions... one has to suspect that you aren't that concerned about keeping your job. Graham did much the same. Knew Campbell was off, knew there was going to be 'limited funds' (the cheek, he'd wasted a fortune already!) and that the remainder of his contract was just going to be a fruitless struggle which would just hurt his rep even more.... so he came out of a confidential meeting where he was told their was limited funds available and told the world about it. He didn't seem at all concerned to be sacked and get paid up for his last year and a half. AVB was going down a similar road to me. He realised the players thought he was a ****, the feeling for him was probably mutual, he didn't like the way the club went about its transfer business... he didn't like this, he didn't like that. You'd think he was Sir Alex Ferguson. It says a lot that Ramos, Hoddle and Jol, the 3 of the 4 managers Levy had sacked before AVB, had struggled on for months before they were sacked. This doesn't suggest a man impatient with bad results. They only went when they were in the bottom 3. AVB had merely had patchy results and performances and was in 7th place. Yet Levy had seen enough.
Sadly this is a different era where managers aren't that concerned about the sack anyway. Years ago it was your livelihood at sake. This meant a more flexible and pragmatic attitude. Not for someone like AVB. He's has been in management just 4 years and is probably already made for life. In the space of 4 years he's been poached by Porto and Chelsea and sacked by Chelsea and Tottenham. Anyone want to work out the figures on that? All the fees for signing on, the wages themselves, the pay offs? No wonder he could go into a meeting and act the **** and know he'll be fine either way. This shows up the nonsense of giving managers 'time'. Mr. Long term project Villas-Boas walked out of his first 2 jobs in the space of 2 years for bigger clubs and more money. So if they do well, they leave for bigger and better. If they don't do well, they start to act the **** and encourage a sacking. You're never going to have a manager for years and years with this state of affairs. I say, we treated Villas-Boas as fair as he treated Academia or FC Porto. For him to bleat after long term projects is just pathetic sour grapes.
And he seemed have little intention of finishing. If you go into a meeting with your superiors and act the ****, tell them a straight 'no' to their suggestions... one has to suspect that you aren't that concerned about keeping your job. Graham did much the same. Knew Campbell was off, knew there was going to be 'limited funds' (the cheek, he'd wasted a fortune already!) and that the remainder of his contract was just going to be a fruitless struggle which would just hurt his rep even more.... so he came out of a confidential meeting where he was told their was limited funds available and told the world about it. He didn't seem at all concerned to be sacked and get paid up for his last year and a half. AVB was going down a similar road to me. He realised the players thought he was a ****, the feeling for him was probably mutual, he didn't like the way the club went about its transfer business... he didn't like this, he didn't like that. You'd think he was Sir Alex Ferguson. It says a lot that Ramos, Hoddle and Jol, the 3 of the 4 managers Levy had sacked before AVB, had struggled on for months before they were sacked. This doesn't suggest a man impatient with bad results. They only went when they were in the bottom 3. AVB had merely had patchy results and performances and was in 7th place. Yet Levy had seen enough.
Sadly this is a different era where managers aren't that concerned about the sack anyway. Years ago it was your livelihood at sake. This meant a more flexible and pragmatic attitude. Not for someone like AVB. He's has been in management just 4 years and is probably already made for life. In the space of 4 years he's been poached by Porto and Chelsea and sacked by Chelsea and Tottenham. Anyone want to work out the figures on that? All the fees for signing on, the wages themselves, the pay offs? No wonder he could go into a meeting and act the **** and know he'll be fine either way. This shows up the nonsense of giving managers 'time'. Mr. Long term project Villas-Boas walked out of his first 2 jobs in the space of 2 years for bigger clubs and more money. So if they do well, they leave for bigger and better. If they don't do well, they start to act the **** and encourage a sacking. You're never going to have a manager for years and years with this state of affairs. I say, we treated Villas-Boas as fair as he treated Academia or FC Porto. For him to bleat after long term projects is just pathetic sour grapes.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Put the points total aside, we finished 5th last season, not 4th or 3rd, it was par and the minimum requirement. There was just no way we could sustain the league position given how poor we were playing, how few goals we had scored and eventually how many goals we were leaking at the other end. He looks the part and acts it but unfortunately he's not the next big thing like a lot of people in football thought he was going to be.
In many many respects. One good season followed by poor results, losing the players respect and unltimately losing his job.
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Probably my only concern about AVB was his refusal to start Adebayor come what may
milo
Jack L. Jones
I read somewhere recently that he got an £11m pay off from Chelsea and £4.5m from us. Nice work if you can get it.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Really? That's gas. Why didn't they just pay him off in one go?
milo
Jack L. Jones
Probably because they thought that he'd get another job and they would stop paying him when he did.