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Was Levy right to sack AVB?
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Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: Next Spurs Manager v.2
It can be argued with some conviction that he deserved more time and he MAY have had a long term plan that would have ultimately bore fruit, I don't agree with that way of thinking but I understand it. But honestly, when it comes to the style of play, it does not take 18 months to get a team that was already playing fanastic football playing anyway to play the way you want them to. Look at Everton, you could tell after about half an hour under Martinez that their style of play had changed. Quite frankly it's absurd and utterly ridiculous to argue that he eventually would have had us playing like Barcelona because he could have done it within a handful of games.
It can be argued with some conviction that he deserved more time and he MAY have had a long term plan that would have ultimately bore fruit, I don't agree with that way of thinking but I understand it. But honestly, when it comes to the style of play, it does not take 18 months to get a team that was already playing fanastic football playing anyway to play the way you want them to. Look at Everton, you could tell after about half an hour under Martinez that their style of play had changed. Quite frankly it's absurd and utterly ridiculous to argue that he eventually would have had us playing like Barcelona because he could have done it within a handful of games.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: Next Spurs Manager v.2
Because he talks a lot of crap, to be blunt and some Spurs fans are still blinded by it and the notion that he's the "next Mourinho".
Let's take a brief look at the style of play under previous managers:
George Graham - Typical GG, didn't take us 18 months to realise it wouldn't change.
Jacques Santini - Cautious, tactical. Chelsea away, we parked the bus, once again, most of us realised what his style of play was after a handful of games.
Martin Jol - Attacking but sometimes negative after going ahead against the top teams. His first game in charge ended 5-4 :lol: that pretty much set the tone.
Redknapp - Shored us up with the signing of Palacios very early on. Less than a season later we were playing swashbuckling football.
People can believe all they want that AVB would have had us playing Barca esque football after the 15 year bedding in period, just don't try to convince me because I'm not buying it. In the words of Pirate and Kingdawson 'I believe what I see with my eyes'.
Because he talks a lot of crap, to be blunt and some Spurs fans are still blinded by it and the notion that he's the "next Mourinho".
Let's take a brief look at the style of play under previous managers:
George Graham - Typical GG, didn't take us 18 months to realise it wouldn't change.
Jacques Santini - Cautious, tactical. Chelsea away, we parked the bus, once again, most of us realised what his style of play was after a handful of games.
Martin Jol - Attacking but sometimes negative after going ahead against the top teams. His first game in charge ended 5-4 :lol: that pretty much set the tone.
Redknapp - Shored us up with the signing of Palacios very early on. Less than a season later we were playing swashbuckling football.
People can believe all they want that AVB would have had us playing Barca esque football after the 15 year bedding in period, just don't try to convince me because I'm not buying it. In the words of Pirate and Kingdawson 'I believe what I see with my eyes'.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I agree but that isn't what we were discussing, there's a belief that AVB would have eventually turned us into a free flowing, adventurous side which I believe is a flawed arguement and a fallacy because it really doesn't/shouldn't take 18 months to implement given the examples I listed and how quickly we figured out what their ethos was.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
maybe, unless AVB's plan required a certain blueprint of player in each position and it we just didn't have it so the transition was slow
wenger obviously changed the arsenal system but he didn't do it all in one go, that back 5 played exactly the same way for a lot longer than 18 months after he took over
wenger obviously changed the arsenal system but he didn't do it all in one go, that back 5 played exactly the same way for a lot longer than 18 months after he took over
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Of course but it didn't people 18 months to realise that he was making them a more attractive side to watch as well as a more physically dominant side. He also had them top of the league in his second season not lagging behind the top 4.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
what I don't get is how AVB can hold any kind of conversation about football and seem to understand so much about the game yet send a team out with no purpose whatsoever.
the whole bedding in period is rubbish. Martinez is one of a hundred examples. plus you may need time to perfect something but we didn't even show that we had a plan to begin with. if our players were trying things that we couldn't yet pull off then you could say well I can see what we are trying - but we didn't even have a purpose when playing. but avb is clearly not a stupid man yet our team was so basic - that's what I don't get
the whole bedding in period is rubbish. Martinez is one of a hundred examples. plus you may need time to perfect something but we didn't even show that we had a plan to begin with. if our players were trying things that we couldn't yet pull off then you could say well I can see what we are trying - but we didn't even have a purpose when playing. but avb is clearly not a stupid man yet our team was so basic - that's what I don't get
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Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Having the knowledge and applying it are two very different things. That applies to all walks of life not just football.
For the record, I didn't enjoy the style of play but I tolerated it whilst we were getting results and looking solid at the back and had a good defensive record, but that went out the window by November so we couldn't even hang our hat on that anymore.
90sSpursBook
Erik Edman
In a nutshell:
Generally when I watched Spurs under AVB i was bored; generally under Harry I felt entertained.
If the football's boring then I don't mind as long as when we win - if we don't win and then get absolutely smashed then its time to move on.
AVB was no better than Gerry Francis - inherited a team that included a world class player (Klinsmann/Bale) who helped to win many games - when they left they initially grounded out unspectacular wins but before long they became unspectacular defeats and then very spectacular defeats.
Generally when I watched Spurs under AVB i was bored; generally under Harry I felt entertained.
If the football's boring then I don't mind as long as when we win - if we don't win and then get absolutely smashed then its time to move on.
AVB was no better than Gerry Francis - inherited a team that included a world class player (Klinsmann/Bale) who helped to win many games - when they left they initially grounded out unspectacular wins but before long they became unspectacular defeats and then very spectacular defeats.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Perfectly summarised and exactly how I feel.
does anybody know why Harry left????? I still dont have the answer
screen nayim
John Gorman
The only solid evidence seems to be his twitchy face and predilection for roadside based media briefings.
But that was apparently enough for DL to launch masteplan v5.0 and give his job to a fraudster.
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Cochise
Steve Carr
Think the official line was that the board couldn't accept the way we fell apart during that March period and that despite finishing fourth, he should have got third. Chelsea winning the CL final was what pushed him out the door.
The unofficial story is that on the day Levy buried his mother Harry demanded a new contract after openly courting the England job. Their relationship soured from there and his sacking was both for personal and football reasons. Loads of stories at the time came out saying how Harry was organising his England coaching team behind the scenes (I believe Rodgers was approached) and how during that period he spent very little time training the Spurs team, which really upset the board.
EDIT: This is all rumour and speculation from the internet and the press.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Because he wasva stop gap appointment that worked out far better than DL expected and then signed his own p45 by publicly courting another job.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
not sure we'll ever know, but making the same exact mistake 2 seasons in a row whilst flirting with another job probably contributed
he had to go though, we were never gonna win the league with him in charge, we needed to try and improve on him