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Transfer thread

Bishop said:
We have to accept that just because you've been good at developing players in the past it doesn't mean you think every player has the potential. He's evaluated what he's seen from Johnson and doesn't believe that he can get more from him. I don't disagree honestly.
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Believe me, I don't sit here wringing my hands in some David Mitchell-esque frenzy about it!
i have accepted it.
And I think equally, we can accept a counter-view which says that dispensing with dquad members who do carry some positional and material value (even if they don't specifically fit your way) before having ample replacement OR in lieu of resting the geezer you've been flogging for 6 months is (at best) curious behaviour.
 
billyiddo said:
I'd imagine following windows will by and large follow the same pattern - most clubs supporters will think their club acts slow/badly during the transfer windows and we just think we're unique cos we pay more attention to our workings.
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I think that’s fair. I’m not seeing large numbers of deals being announced across the league. Overall we’re not looking particularly slow.
 
robp135 said:
This is from a Brazilian guy I am friends with that’s pretty knowledgeable.

I think he’s alright, remember following him during the u13s he was more of a winger and then got brought back recently. As expected, more offensive but could improve defensively. I think he’s ok, but I don’t see him as ready to play EPL, would probably follow Kota Takai’s steps and get minutes in germany or reserves.
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He was following him when he was 13.....
6 years ago. I don't know, but I think maybe players develop slightly from 13 to 19, but hey, what do I know....
 
RunTMC said:
I think that’s fair. I’m not seeing large numbers of deals being announced across the league. Overall we’re not looking particularly slow.
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Without context that seems fair, however

- We somehow are moving players out (Johnson, Solomon, with several of the youngsters loans being redone, looks like Dragusin is going.) with one realistic incoming (as a backup/squad option, unproven in Europe)
- Frank is in trouble, the club is in freefall, January was supposed to be a good month schedule wise, 1 good player at the start of January could have made a huge difference to Frank staying or going.
- Two seasons of poor performances, you either accept mediocrity or you make drastic changes to counter, this isn't a normal window to be judged, this has to be seen as an emergency window to try to course correct, the fact that non of the heirchy seem to see it that was is a big problem.
 
thfcsteff said:
Believe me, I don't sit here wringing my hands in some David Mitchell-esque frenzy about it!
i have accepted it.
And I think equally, we can accept a counter-view which says that dispensing with dquad members who do carry some positional and material value (even if they don't specifically fit your way) before having ample replacement OR in lieu of resting the geezer you've been flogging for 6 months is (at best) curious behaviour.
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I think I would have to ask the question whether Johnson was backup to Kudus at this stage anyway. Because he was a big signing, fans just assumed that he would come in as Kudus's injury replacement. Perhaps Frank would have preferred Bergval in that position anyway. It was Bergval that resumed that position against B'mouth on his own injury return.

Like you, I thought I saw a different Johnson at Forest. A player that wasn't just a right winger. A player that had some decent intelligence that could run in between the lines and play as a second forward. A player that would get goals. I do trust my club on this one though. He was raw at Forest and in his 3rd season with us and hadn't made great progress as he hit his mid-twenties. It looked like he had plateau'd and I have no issue with us taking the money. I don't really care that we don't have a replacement either. Our squad is deep enough that we can carry a small squad gap through until next season. We have enough versatile players.
 
Kandi1977 said:
Hey! Follow the cult! We want new shiny toys, and we want them yesterday!!!!
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I personally find it odd that we have people on good money at the club working solely to recruit new players, and we seemingly have next to nothing lined up for January. On the flip side of that, transfers are more complicated than any of us understand, and there is afterall a reason for everything.
 
Daisuk said:
I personally find it odd that we have people on good money at the club working solely to recruit new players, and we seemingly have next to nothing lined up for January. On the flip side of that, transfers are more complicated than any of us understand, and there is afterall a reason for everything.
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How do you know we have nothing lined up? Because some pratt on social media hasn’t posted anything with a AI generated picture to make it look pretty? We could be working on a few deals and its taking longer than expected.
 
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Daisuk said:
I personally find it odd that we have people on good money at the club working solely to recruit new players, and we seemingly have next to nothing lined up for January. On the flip side of that, transfers are more complicated than any of us understand, and there is afterall a reason for everything.
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All of our signings the past 2 or 3 years have come completely out of the blue. The only small leaks have come occasionally from the selling sides, like has happened with the Santos chairman.

I'm definitely expecting one or two senior signings to just land from nowhere on the OS before the end of the window
 
SpurMeUp said:
Do you get the impression we lurch to overcompensate for current failings?

- not good enough moving players on. Overcompensate and leave ourselves short.

- need more attractive football. Hire the manager with the most extreme version.

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My overriding impression is that we don't know what we're doing. Fearful that we are dismantling and rebuilding a squad for a DOF and manager who won't be here this time next year.
 
glasgowspur said:
My overriding impression is that we don't know what we're doing. Fearful that we are dismantling and rebuilding a squad for a DOF and manager who won't be here this time next year.
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Certainly some questionable decisions.

I think Frank can prosper long term, and also the players he likes are not so specific. More maluable for any manager. What I think we'd miss if we got rid of frank is his analysis and ability to bring on players. Give him time and he'll build a side and develop individuals. But it takes a lot longer when the club is in such a state of flux. And it is not just one thing.

1. The Kane and Son dynasty ending.

2. Levy & Spurs have been synomous. So will take some time to restructure and refresh. But is probably positive. We'll lose some things, and hopefully gain some new professinal ways of working. But it will take a couple of years.

3. No footballing foundation. Some are very protective of Ange, and I am so glad we hired him and stuck with him. But he didn't put in place much in terms of footballing structure. He was amazing on speaches, psychology and motivation. He was great at attacking. But in terms of sustainable foundations that can work at the top level, he wasn't there. Frank is, and hopefully is allowed to build out the culture and detail required.


When there is such flux of senior mangers I can understand why we're in a bit of a mess. Most important is they (and ideally fans) pull together. You'd want Vinai or Frank to outline this more to fans. But I think they are intimidated by the baying masses. And you can understand why they don't put their head above the parapit. Results ultimately do the galvanizing. And that is all on Frank and the patched up squad.
 
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