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TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs ASTON VILLA - OMT
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Thebarbarian
Nicola Berti
SandroSays
Roger Nilsen
SteveAWOL said:
Could just mean we don't go behind as often.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
We most certainly went for it, we attacked Villa to the best of our ability almost non stop even after 1-1.
I don't think it's necessarily true that we have more to win than to lose today.
Crawley
Board Legend
It's not the opinions I'm worried about. It's the inability of certain posters to argue a point without resorting to personal insults, thus rendering a perfectly valid thread a war-zone again.
Read the rules.
They're at the top of each forum, incase you'd not noticed?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Have you read the forum rules?
The mods are generally very good on this board and I suggest your respect them and their opinions.
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
I cant really see where there has been anything offensive or personal either though. Hope i'm not up for a banning....
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
We had 22 shots today, 4 on target!
Bale had 4 shots, 2 on target.
They can stick the other Bale stat where the sun don't shine.
Thebarbarian
Nicola Berti
Duly noted !
Not sure there are any insults in this discussion, maybe some mild badgering but that's about all.
I have read the rules in _ case you thought I HADN'T noticed , just like to hear what other people think.
vkn17
Peter Taylor
Mate, I agree that we went for it, I have no problem with players efforts today. I think they did very well. What I do have a problem with is Redknapp's tactics. Honestly, do you really think that Mourinho or Fergie for example wouldn't have gone for it by making more attacking substitutions?
We had more to win because we could have been 3rd now, had we won that game. It's more likely for Saudi Sportswashing Machine to drop points at Everton than Arsenal at West Brom. We need a win to get 4th and that is what Redknapp is settling with, he proved it today.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
It's a poor standalone stat
Maybe we went behind earlier more often, at home, maybe we didn't
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I generally don't care, I just think that the mods are doing a great job on this site and when things get a bit sticky or aggressive after a disappointing result and they ask people to calm down they should be respected.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
true
We dominated one of the poorest teams in the league who clearly didn't show up to play football. A team refusing to move the line out of their own box. We failed to capitalize on that, as we often (nearly always) do when we aren't able to create our own space through fast-paced passing and counter. We have very little creativity up top, and that fact has been hidden for years behind more than a few brilliant one-man performances and some one-off wonder goals, or even pure luck. When we haven't got much intelligent movement, what do we need a hold-up man like Adebayor for? This is nothing new, we lacked distinct intelligent movement with Crouch on top, we lacked it with Pav on top, and we lack it with Defoe on top. We haven't had consistent intelligent movement since Berbatov lead our front line, who even made Keane look smart rather than instinctual (if that is even a word). IMHO again.
This is where tactics come in, and what some more or less cautiously have proposed for some time that Harry may fall somewhat short on. We have come this far much thanks to having perhaps the best, most pacey and creative midfield we've ever had, who has covered for our shortcomings in forwards or lack of distinct tactical instructions. Our chance to goal ratio reflects this quite clear IMO. Our lack of composure in the final third can be embarrasing. Get rid of Les Ferdinand, if he commands any wage of some sort at all.
I'm as thrilled as the next man with our current position, make no mistake, but we could have done so much better with (relatively speaking) so little more systematics and tactical nous. For one, what is the point of playing long ball towards a target man, when no-one follows (the thought of Crouch trying to pull off keepy uppies surrounded by players still makes me cringe), or playing the heaviest marked man? And what is the point of moving 3 players into the box if the man in possession has no intention of using them? What is the point of gaining 15-20 corners a game if they either cannot clear the first man, or when it does very few players actually attacks the ball? It's much if not all about tactics, instructions and not just "running about a bit" (which I seriously don't believe Harry means). Roaming full-backs can do whatever the hell they want by me, but whatever you do, don't tinkle the ball when the team is off balance. Harry is a master in making players do what they like best looking pretty in the process, but falls a tiny bit short in making them do something else if that fails.
Still one cannot defend what went down today, there are no excuses. We were simply not good enough, we cannot blame Villa for how they played or what they are (which are a bunch I'd be happy to see relegated, miserable anti-football sods), how much we dominated, what substitutions were made, that we played with 10 men etc etc. They played for a point and got it. We've met teams playing like that before, and will most certainly do it again. It was overall a good effort, but a poor performance.
Disclaimer: this may or may not be reflected in disappointment in us being so very very close but still so far away. But I'm infinately more grateful for having such minor gripes rather than discussing whether we will finish in the top or bottom half of the table.
This is where tactics come in, and what some more or less cautiously have proposed for some time that Harry may fall somewhat short on. We have come this far much thanks to having perhaps the best, most pacey and creative midfield we've ever had, who has covered for our shortcomings in forwards or lack of distinct tactical instructions. Our chance to goal ratio reflects this quite clear IMO. Our lack of composure in the final third can be embarrasing. Get rid of Les Ferdinand, if he commands any wage of some sort at all.
I'm as thrilled as the next man with our current position, make no mistake, but we could have done so much better with (relatively speaking) so little more systematics and tactical nous. For one, what is the point of playing long ball towards a target man, when no-one follows (the thought of Crouch trying to pull off keepy uppies surrounded by players still makes me cringe), or playing the heaviest marked man? And what is the point of moving 3 players into the box if the man in possession has no intention of using them? What is the point of gaining 15-20 corners a game if they either cannot clear the first man, or when it does very few players actually attacks the ball? It's much if not all about tactics, instructions and not just "running about a bit" (which I seriously don't believe Harry means). Roaming full-backs can do whatever the hell they want by me, but whatever you do, don't tinkle the ball when the team is off balance. Harry is a master in making players do what they like best looking pretty in the process, but falls a tiny bit short in making them do something else if that fails.
Still one cannot defend what went down today, there are no excuses. We were simply not good enough, we cannot blame Villa for how they played or what they are (which are a bunch I'd be happy to see relegated, miserable anti-football sods), how much we dominated, what substitutions were made, that we played with 10 men etc etc. They played for a point and got it. We've met teams playing like that before, and will most certainly do it again. It was overall a good effort, but a poor performance.
Disclaimer: this may or may not be reflected in disappointment in us being so very very close but still so far away. But I'm infinately more grateful for having such minor gripes rather than discussing whether we will finish in the top or bottom half of the table.
Overall you'd have to summerise this games finish as we had our destiny in our hands before the game and now we dont. The question is who to blame?
Number 1 Rose - who should be finished now as a player here 2 Redknapp as a manager who couldnt get his team however limited to play over their ability. To get Bale to play left and produce one moment of class to win the game. To organise some sort of tactic to out wit the great Mcleish who has made Villa Park a fortress to teams by amassing a massive 4 wins this season. We have to by happy with a draw against a team with no wins in the last 5 as in the end it would be better to finish 4th and winge about how Chelsea winning cost us our place ala lasagne gate or more recently the ghost goal which somehow multipied in to a 5 -1 defeat....
Number 1 Rose - who should be finished now as a player here 2 Redknapp as a manager who couldnt get his team however limited to play over their ability. To get Bale to play left and produce one moment of class to win the game. To organise some sort of tactic to out wit the great Mcleish who has made Villa Park a fortress to teams by amassing a massive 4 wins this season. We have to by happy with a draw against a team with no wins in the last 5 as in the end it would be better to finish 4th and winge about how Chelsea winning cost us our place ala lasagne gate or more recently the ghost goal which somehow multipied in to a 5 -1 defeat....
Would we had got a draw even had Rose been on the pitch? I do wonder. It encouraged Villa (for about 5 mins) to come out at us. And then we scored. So they went back to ultra defensive.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I don't know what those managers would have done. I do think we started with our strongest 11 and that making changes just to make changes when the players are working hard and playing well is a bad idea. Sometimes it's better to just leave it rather than change something that is working. Especially when the best attacking option we had on the bench was an out and out striker and we were down to 10 men. From where I was sitting we were pretty much in all out attack mode and I'm assuming that's what Harry wanted.
We could have been 3rd now, had we won that game. That doesn't equate to us having more to win than to lose. Like I already said, if we had lost today and that one point ended up costing us CL football I think people would have been pretty angry. That of course is assuming that bringing Defoe on would have increased our winning chances, something that's not a given.
vkn17
Peter Taylor
This. Finally.
vkn17
Peter Taylor
Clearly it did not work. Not if you weren't settling for a draw. How freaking difficult can it be? Bale on the LEFT. LEFT LEFT LEFT. Lennon on the right. RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. Villa werent going anywhere, Parker substitution was pointless. Something needed to change, a fresh injection up front with more attacking options.
All I know is that I would have rather thrown in 3 strikers and gone for the win than settling for a draw. Getting 3rd now is a long shot sadly and we gave it away no matter how you look at it.