ArnieArdiles
Milenko Acimovic
Yes they did.
They can play a good game but when you're gifted the start we had, to not take all three points is got to be seen as an opportunity missed , certainly by a team with top four aspirations.
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Tottenham Hotspur v Wigan Athletic Match History 2005-2013 & OMT
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Yes they did.
They can play a good game but when you're gifted the start we had, to not take all three points is got to be seen as an opportunity missed , certainly by a team with top four aspirations.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I don't think we were complacent at all. We clearly wanted to win this game. The corner defending has been utter toss lately but to win a game isn't as simple as saying 'you lost to these lot before, make sure it doesn't happen again' because there are more factors.
The flow of the game helped Wigan. We played really encouragingly first half, and then they took the lead and decided to sit back ala Stoke. That's where sideways passing comes from, not because it's all we were motivated to do. And to be honest their second goal was just a sweet goal, unlucky for us but there isn't too much that could have been done. A good touch gave the guy space and he hit it well.
I don't doubt that second half was total brick from our point of view. But I don't think it was lack of effort or mentality necessarily, we just came up against a really good Wigan side that decided to bank on sitting deep.
Think this is a bit of a myth. If an inferior team is winning and defending deep, they're not going to get 'dragged out'. If the opposition wants to pass it amongst themselves miles away from their goal, I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.
ArnieArdiles
Milenko Acimovic
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
my point has been missed
they did play well, but city stepped up and used their advantages to get the win, we didn't
mudshark
Chris Armstrong
We played far too narrowly for most of the game. Seemed to do absolutely nothing for the bulk of the second half but play it in ever-tightening circles until we were pressed into making an error. IMO, we should be thankful for the undeserved point. Two flukey goals, and we were lucky to get that much. The Arse still have to play these as well; let's see how they fare.*
* rhetorical.
* rhetorical.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
I think we were good for a point. Created a lot of chances that we couldn't finish.
Final ball wasn't great.
And could have snatched it at the death, that wouldn't have been deserved, but would have been ecstatic.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
they were, but they ultimately lost because better players made the difference, ours didn't today
Arsenal are at home.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Yup, I agree. If we held on from that corner they score, it could have turned out a lot nicer for us. But that's football. We could have picked them off if they had to come at us even more but as it was they score a sweet goal and it makes things harder from us.
I can definitely see them getting something at Arsenal. They clocked up like 60% possession at West Ham and gave City a lot of scares. They are a good team and can do us a favour. We didn't necessarily need a win today, we need to win when Chelsea play United and Everton and we have winnable home games. We also probably need to beat Stoke.
Stoke now worry me a bit, I was pretty confident of that game at first because being the home team they might be drawn out a bit more. But as Wigan showed today a home team can sit back for long periods if they so desire. Then again Stoke aren't currently putting in Wigan-esque performances at this stage of the season, so on balance we should win there considering what's at stake. I will be more annoyed if we don't beat Stoke than I ever would have been today, because Wigan defy their position in these months of the season. Then again if Stoke score a goal from a corner and then decide to sit back on it, that game could be just as difficult.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Was our second officially an OG?
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indianspur
Guest
our passing and movement is shocking....AVB has a lot of work to do in the summer
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Wow.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
But if Wigan took one of their numerous chances at City they may have taken some points off of them...their performance shows they are a good team that can cause more expensively assembled teams serious problems, especially at this stage of the season.
The argument that 'if we really want to be top 4 we should be beating Wigan away' is just ludicrous. It's like Man United saying 'if we really want to be title challengers we need to beat them away' yet even they can fall to them when they should have been at maximum focus. This was my second hardest game after Chelsea away in my predictions, so I'm pretty happy with a point. If we managed to score right at the end there, I would have been fudging overjoyed.
ArnieArdiles
Milenko Acimovic
Goal difference is against us, that's why we needed three points today. We could get 9 points out of our remaining fixtures and then, we can add another 'Tottenham first' to our name after last season's, first team to be denied CL qualification due to another team winning it .
Tottenham Hotspur will become the first team to gain more than 70 points and fail to qualify for the CL
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
To win a game is to nullify your opposition while exploiting your own strengths.
Correspondingly, against Wigan, it meant realising the mistakes that had led to us losing it last time (slow start, no penetration, lacklustre break-away defending) and denying them the opportunity to employ their favoured tactics (6 across the back, 3 men hounding Bale/Dempsey/Defoe), while closing them down effectively and maintaining concentration for the full ninety minutes.
We were given the perfect start: a ludicrously lucky goal that would have forced Wigan to come out and play, stretching the game and allowing us to create more opportunities in our favor.
We then did what no top team should ever do: concede directly after scoring. We switched off at a corner, Jan casually lost his man and Boyce scored, meaning we held the lead for a grand total of one minute.
We lost concentration when we most needed it. And then, Wigan could play the way they liked: defensive and reliant upon break-aways.
So we failed the first 'What have we learned' test. We didn't concentrate, again, despite being punished for it in the disastrous home game.
Having done that, though, we could at least have sprung into action at the start of the second half, getting at Wigan with quick, purposeful passing when they were still trying to take the lead. But we didn't. We gave the ball away, made stupid errors and allowed them time and space on the ball outside our area. They scored. 2-1. Now they could sit back to their heart's content. So again, we failed to learn from last time: don't let Wigan take the lead.
Finally, having made consecutive errors of judgement, we compounded them by putting in an utterly inept attacking display, devoid of threat or purpose. We were petulant ,conceded stupid free-kicks and played at a snail's tempo: perfectly suiting Wigan. Again, a stupid thing to do.
In summary, we learned nothing from the last time we played Wigan. They were no better than they were at the Lane. We were just equally as bad as we were then.