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A bit more info on the proposed rail upgrades.

Tottenham rail routes in line for £25m investment - Travel - Tottenham Journal
A £25million investment into rail routes in Tottenham is a step closer after London business and council leaders backed plans to increase train services. The London Enterprise Panel yesterday recommended the scheme, which would boost frequency through Northumberland Park and Tottenham Hale from one to four trains per hour, should be approved by the Mayor of London.

The project could be part of a wider £72m upgrade of the West Anglia line, improving rail links between a regenerated Tottenham and Stratford, the Upper Lee Valley and Stansted Airport. Haringey Council say they are committed to the major regeneration of Tottenham, with better transport links in the east supporting the thousands of new homes, jobs and leisure destinations set to be created in the area.

Councillor Alan Strickland, cabinet member for regeneration, said: “I’m delighted that Tottenham’s rail revolution is a step closer with this backing from the London Enterprise Panel. Increasing services to four trains an hour at Northumberland Park and Tottenham Hale is crucial to connect our residents to more job opportunities, and is central to our ambitions to make Tottenham a destination for London. We’re excited that business and political leaders from across the capital also see the potential in Tottenham and share our vision for this once-in-a-generation opportunity.”

Under the proposals, submitted by the North London Strategic Alliance – a partnership of north London councils and organisations – a new track would be created between Tottenham Hale and an improved Angel Road in Enfield, allowing for four trains an hour between the two stations. These would be in addition to the already-agreed Network Rail project to upgrade the line from Tottenham Hale to Stratford, including the reopening of Lea Bridge Station in Waltham Forest.

If approved by the Mayor of London, it would bring the total package of funding for rail improvements in Tottenham to nearly £100m. Such improvements are seen as essential to supporting the creation of up to 10,000 new high-quality homes and 5,000 new jobs in the area by 2025.

Work is underway improve access to Tottenham Hale by restoring the one-way system to two-way traffic, while the station’s upgrade next year will prepare it for the proposed Crossrail 2 project and better links to Stansted. The next stage of approval for the £25m project is further assessment by the Greater London Authority’s Investment and Performance Board before final agreement by the Mayor of London.
 
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Sorry to go back to this but I wanted to say that if Populous are in charge then I have to say I'm pleased to see it. I know KSS are good and they delivered a very good design that was with a focus on the fans and atmosphere but with Populous I get the feeling that this is a company that is arguably one of the, if not the best architects in the world for the field in which they specialise in.

Here is a video of them talking about Wembley, comes across as bunch of toffs that know nothing about football, which is most probably true but they do know a lot about stadia design and I have to say that these are the kind of people I want shaping something that will not only be our new home, but our future.

http://populous.com/project/wembley-stadium/

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We need something that not only maixmises revenues but is also iconic, I think the last part of that quote applies to Tottenham Hotspur a lot, I really feel that this club has enormous potential to be fulfilled.
 
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^^ Sorry, but I started losing the will to live watching that. I really hate the New Wembley, mind you.
 
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Sorry to go back to this but I wanted to say that if Populous are in charge then I have to say I'm pleased to see it. I know KSS are good and they delivered a very good design that was with a focus on the fans and atmosphere but with Populous I get the feeling that this is a company that is arguably one of the, if not the best architects in the world for the field in which they specialise in.

Here is a video of them talking about Wembley, comes across as bunch of toffs that know nothing about football, which is most probably true but they do know a lot about stadia design and I have to say that these are the kind of people I want shaping something that will not only be our new home, but our future.

http://populous.com/project/wembley-stadium/



We need something that not only maixmises revenues but is also iconic, I think the last part of that quote applies to Tottenham Hotspur a lot, I really feel that this club has enormous potential to be fulfilled.

We'll of the two projects that I have visited.. Wembley and Ascot, I would say that neither are that great. Wembley because the fans are too far from the pitch(still not as bad as old Wembley though) and Ascot has terrible design, great if your in one of the boxes with the sheiks, and premiership footballers but if your down in the ring its terrible. The sun never ever gets to that area, in the parade ring it can be lovely and its a good 10 degrees difference in the Silver Ring etc, jumps in the winter you proper freeze your knackers off. They should have made parts of it Glass/see through, or made an opening.. big opening. They never as it swoops round like one huge stand.

You can see the shadow below

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Wembley is awful. It's all about the architecture, not the viewing/atmosphere. But that was with Foster, so could be down to him. Never been to the Emirates, what are people's views on that?
 
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Wembley is awful. It's all about the architecture, not the viewing/atmosphere. But that was with Foster, so could be down to him. Never been to the Emirates, what are people's views on that?

Only walked past it. One thing I do know is that the distance between fans and pitch and the sloping roof is down to the council, populous had a height restriction of about 45m to work against so they had to make the disrance between stands and to pitch longet to meet Islington Council's requirements in height.
 
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What's the basis of new design rumours anyway? Can't see Levy ploughing millions into design work, have it approved, only to change it.

Small changes wouldn't be surprising due to any needs we've needed with technology/design elements that have changed over time.
 
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Another email posted on Skyscrapercity by the same guy who posted the reply from David Keirle about Populous taking over from KSS.

Another email reply from DK :)

I agree, especially as we had revised the design to achieve 61,000. Difficult to accept when we have put so much effort into designing a stadium which, as a Spurs fan, i thought reflected the best of our heritage!

He must be well and truly gutted, especially being a Spurs fan. The dream job for him, which sounds like it's ended up turning sour for DK and KSS. Oh well, over to Populous it is.

Well, if these emails are true then I think Levy and co are right to look at every possible option to make absolutely sure they get this right, I agree it would be harsh on KSS Design and a 61,000 seat version of the current design would be amazing but for me we cannot have a stadium that costs the same as the Emirates but doesn't achieve the same match day revenues. I guess it's all wait and see now.
 
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Another email posted on Skyscrapercity by the same guy who posted the reply from David Keirle about Populous taking over from KSS.



Well, if these emails are true then I think Levy and co are right to look at every possible option to make absolutely sure they get this right, I agree it would be harsh on KSS Design and a 61,000 seat version of the current design would be amazing but for me we cannot have a stadium that costs the same as the Emirates but doesn't achieve the same match day revenues. I guess it's all wait and see now.

I think the will be some akward questions at the AGM this year, why were they not looking into this earlier in the project.
 
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I think the will be some akward questions at the AGM this year, why were they not looking into this earlier in the project.

Since we delisted and became a private company again, the old style fan/shareholder forums won't be happening anymore. Any major shareholders will know exactly what's going on better than anyone here.

I'd guess the changes are possibly related to:

- a desire to have a more iconic design to build a fresh commercial 'brand'. The KSS design looks good but will date very quickly.
- the cost of the phased build where we move in before the 4th stand is completed. This will makes the construction much more expensive, so we've no doubt been looking at options for a ground share.
 
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Since we delisted and became a private company again, the old style fan/shareholder forums won't be happening anymore. Any major shareholders will know exactly what's going on better than anyone here.

I'd guess the changes are possibly related to:

- a desire to have a more iconic design to build a fresh commercial 'brand'. The KSS design looks good but will date very quickly.
- the cost of the phased build where we move in before the 4th stand is completed. This will makes the construction much more expensive, so we've no doubt been looking at options for a ground share.

Ok cheers, why would the design date quickly though? or anymore quickly then another design.

I agree that the phased building always struck me as odd. The only ground share i can think of is wembley but i thought the were rules against that? can not see us going in with arsenal and i am not sure the olympic stadium would be ready in time, wonder how many years this is going to put us back.
 
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I thought our design was pretty good, apart from all the buildings close by, but I guess that's a price we have to pay. The Emirates design was toss from the beginning. Incredibly bland and boring. Kind of apt really.
 
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At this rate I may well get offered a Season ticket in the existing ground before we move into our new home
 
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Ok cheers, why would the design date quickly though? or anymore quickly then another design.

I agree that the phased building always struck me as odd. The only ground share i can think of is wembley but i thought the were rules against that? can not see us going in with arsenal and i am not sure the olympic stadium would be ready in time, wonder how many years this is going to put us back.

Because it isn't all that different from recent modern stadiums of a similar size i.e Estadio de Luz and Emirates bar the facade. When you look at Wembley you have that instantly iconic arch. That's just the design though and here lies the problem for the architects (whether it is Populous or KSS Design) in creating something that is iconic for THFC. Wembley is mainly iconic because of it's history, both in design with the Twin Towers and being the 'home of football', what makes a stadium iconic from the start in design alone though is that there is something unique about it, something very different from other stadiums. Examples would be the Parc de Prince in the 70s, San Siro development of the late 80s, Stad de France in the 90s, Wembley in the 00s. To put it simply you need something which isn't just copied from or has been influenced by a stadium but is hard to be copied by other stadiums that will be built in the future. All of the above is quite obvious but another problem is that this will be about gaining attention for THFC, with Wembley its already so famous so the attention that would be given to it's opening was already there. That may sound strange but I have heard people say they like a team just because they like the look of their stadium.

For me the current design ticks all boxes especially if it was at 61,000 but the bowl shaped curvy upper tier or just four teired stadium with two tiers of corporate seating is itself starting to become samey and boring, bland even.

Estadio de Liuz
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Emirates
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Aviva Stadium
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Arena do Gremio
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Our Current Design
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In shape, layout (bar the kop of course) and function it is no different from a few other stadiums especially that one down the road.
 
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That theory would make sense if we had used populos and not kss, I just think its delay tatics as they dont have the cajones.
 
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@magna carter, it is just a stadium, i want it to be a home but i do not think it has to me some iconic design to do that and to be honest as long as the atmosphere is as good as other stadiums or a bit better then im not interested whether it wins awards.

Every year we wait we are losing out on revenue. I admire levy for not going ahead if the finance is not there but if we are waiting because we can not settle on a design that is wrong in my opinon. If we do not have AGM's anymore im sure the is some sort of meet the fans thing in November which levy goes to, he will have important questions to ask regarding this stadium business.

Im not saying levy and the club are completely wrong but it is a worrying sign that they seem undecided.
 
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The stadium doesn't need to be iconic. Most people spend their time using iPhones and occasionally looking at the green rectangle in the middle.
 
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