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Tottenham Hotspur Karen Club....what do they do?

scaramanga said:
That doesn't matter to the club. Those casual fans are more valuable than you.
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Nonsense. 30,000 - 40,0000 ST holders paying upwards of a grand every year without getting into what they spend at the ground, online etc vs a few hundred/a few thousand day trippers who may attend once and then never again. It only looks profitable now as we have a near world class player in Son who is popular in Asia. Wasn’t anywhere near the same number of tourists when Kazayuki Toda was a Spurs player. If we’re being extremely generous I’d say the club cares about them equally but even that’s a reach.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Nonsense. 30,000 - 40,0000 ST holders paying upwards of a grand every year without getting into what they spend at the ground, online etc vs a few hundred/a few thousand day trippers who may attend once and then never again. It only looks profitable now as we have a near world class player in Son who is popular in Asia. Wasn’t anywhere near the same number of tourists when Kazayuki Toda was a Spurs player. If we’re being extremely generous I’d say the club cares about them equally but even that’s a reach.
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There are way more of them, and they're new every game.

That means thousands of new fans who don't yet have a mug, a keyring, a shirt or a fudging Spurs plastic bag. They pay more for their seats per match, probably get the club a kick back through travel deals and don't skimp on the food or drink.

If it makes you feel any better, this isn't a recent development. Your love affair with the club has been one way for a long time - it's just taken people ages to realise.
 
They're all important to the club, because they all give money to the club.

Some consistently, some sporadically.

They're all welcome....just keep coming.
 
scaramanga said:
There are way more of them, and they're new every game.

That means thousands of new fans who don't yet have a mug, a keyring, a shirt or a fudging Spurs plastic bag. They pay more for their seats per match, probably get the club a kick back through travel deals and don't skimp on the food or drink.

If it makes you feel any better, this isn't a recent development. Your love affair with the club has been one way for a long time - it's just taken people ages to realise.
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You are massively overestimating how many of them actually go to games. It’s nowhere near the number you seem to think it is. It’s not tens of thousands. We have over 30,000 ST holders. There are not 30,000 tourists at any one game. You also seem to conveniently ignore the tourists are mainly coming to see one player. Son joined us at a time when we were on the up and has become arguably our second best player after Kane. It’s a perfect storm of good fortune. The majority of those tourists disappear in a few years when Son is either sold or retires. I doubt many of them will stick with the club when that happens.

Quite often it is when fans are unhappy with a manager and vote with their feet and stop going to games that gets managers the sack so in that sense they owners do care about what fans think. Less people in the ground means less revenue. I guess if people get fed up of Mourinho and stop going to games we can always fill up the ground with 60,000 tourists.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
They're all important to the club, because they all give money to the club.

Some consistently, some sporadically.

They're all welcome....just keep coming.
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Of course. Them and their money are welcome. I just disagree there are more of them than ST holders and members, most of which who turn up every game.
 
Jurgen the German said:
You are massively overestimating how many of them actually go to games. It’s nowhere near the number you seem to think it is. It’s not tens of thousands. We have over 30,000 ST holders. There are not 30,000 tourists at any one game. You also seem to conveniently ignore the tourists are mainly coming to see one player. Son joined us at a time when we were on the up and has become arguably our second best player after Kane. It’s a perfect storm of good fortune. The majority of those tourists disappear in a few years when Son is either sold or retires. I doubt many of them will stick with the club when that happens.

Quite often it is when fans are unhappy with a manager and vote with their feet and stop going to games that gets managers the sack so in that sense they owners do care about what fans think. Less people in the ground means less revenue. I guess if people get fed up of Mourinho and stop going to games we can always fill up the ground with 60,000 tourists.
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We have 42,000 ST holders.
3,000 away fans
8,000 corporates
1,000 officials, players, family employees
Leaves 8,000 ‘casual’ tickets. Many of those are bought by members with high loyalty point numbers.
 
Jurgen the German said:
You are massively overestimating how many of them actually go to games. It’s nowhere near the number you seem to think it is. It’s not tens of thousands. We have over 30,000 ST holders. There are not 30,000 tourists at any one game. You also seem to conveniently ignore the tourists are mainly coming to see one player. Son joined us at a time when we were on the up and has become arguably our second best player after Kane. It’s a perfect storm of good fortune. The majority of those tourists disappear in a few years when Son is either sold or retires. I doubt many of them will stick with the club when that happens.

Quite often it is when fans are unhappy with a manager and vote with their feet and stop going to games that gets managers the sack so in that sense they owners do care about what fans think. Less people in the ground means less revenue. I guess if people get fed up of Mourinho and stop going to games we can always fill up the ground with 60,000 tourists.
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There's tens of thousands of them out there. Maybe only a few thousand turn up per game but that's the point.

Each game it's a new fan who's never been to the club shop, never eaten the food, never stuck around for the entire "experience" for hours before and after the game.

The fact that you and I have supported the club for a long time means nothing expect for giving you a warm fuzzy feeling.
 
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The Executive Board of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club has today announced it will not be cutting staff pay or using the Government's furlough scheme. It has agreed to meet the objectives we set out in our statement of 10 April.

It takes maturity and humility to reverse such a contentious and public decision and we’re pleased that, rather than doubling down, the Club’s Board has listened to the fans on this occasion and ultimately done the right thing. As we said in our statement, no organisation is going to get everything right in these unprecedented circumstances and the eventual outcome is what matters.

We’re delighted for the Club’s non-playing staff and we thank the Club’s Directors for finding an alternative way forward. This is the first step, but a big step, in restoring relations between fans and the Club.

We should now focus on the range of other measures the Club is delivering to help the NHS combat the COVID-19 pandemic; measures that can go a long way to making us proud of our Club once more.

Difficult days are ahead but, with everyone playing their part, we can come through the many challenges we are all facing.

Stay home, stay safe, support the NHS.

https://www.thstofficial.com/thst-news/thfc-decision-on-staffing-thst-comment
 
That second paragraph is on fire, it’s the most inflammatory prose I’ve ever seen from them.

Levy is going to be very angry if he ever reads that.

It’s a new low even for them, wow, dripping with disrespect.
 
I've said before that I support quite a lot of what the Trust does (but not everything). But boy do they adopt the most officious, high-handed tone in every statement they publish. They condescendingly use the term "humility" - I'm surprised they know the meaning of the word.
Their egos are getting stoked all over tw itter at the moment. Yet I am sure their statement from a couple of days ago was only made because Spirit of Shankley were getting a lot of praise for the Liverpool about-turn, and THST wanted their moment in the limelight. (Their statement after the club's original announcement was a lot less inflammatory and actually came close to being supportive of the club, if not in full agreement).
 
I mean, the club statement specifically sought them out -

'In view of supporter sentiment regarding the scheme, it is now not our intention to make use of the current CJRS that runs until the end of May. We shall consult with stakeholders, including the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust with whom we have been in dialogue over the past week and who share our desire to protect jobs, should circumstances change going forward.'

So it's not going overboard to say that they played a part in this.

I'm glad. They're pretty powerless as a Trust - even Spirit of Shankly has more heft than our Trust does, never mind the actual fan-ownership structures on the continent.

But they did good work here - credit to them, and credit to Levy for listening to them, because the Trust undoubtedly represented the vast majority here.

I personally hope people see value in joining the Trust now.
 
galeforce said:
That second paragraph is on fire, it’s the most inflammatory prose I’ve ever seen from them.

Levy is going to be very angry if he ever reads that.

It’s a new low even for them, wow, dripping with disrespect.
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Who the fudge do they think they are?
 
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