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Tim Sherwood Testimonial OMT Spurs v Aston Villa 11th April

Gutter Boy said:
Are we seriously talking about Benteke again?

After seeing how crucial an intelligent, mobile forward who can link with midfield (Kane) is, people want a big lump to pump long balls up to? He's an Andy Carroll waiting to happen. Look too at how Lukaku (a better player than Benteke) has also flopped at a passing side. Part of Ade's problem this season was that he was just too static for our quick transitioning.

If we got another forward this summer, they really need to be a Kane-lite.
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I do not want a big lump to pump long balls up to, at least that's not how I would describe it.

I do want an effective target man option in our squad to replace Adebayor.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Ridiculous post. Comparing him to Andy Carroll is laughable, Benteke is far more skillful and adept than Carroll.
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I think the only difference is that Benteke is from the Congo rather than Gateshead, and has a vowel at the end of his name (the ultimate mark of an exotic player).

Both are very effective in the right system, but completely unsuited to a progressive approach to the game.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I think the only difference is that Benteke is from the Congo rather than Gateshead, and has a vowel at the end of his name (the ultimate mark of an exotic player).

Both are very effective in the right system, but completely unsuited to a progressive approach to the game.
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While I think many are indeed guilty of hyping overseas players above British ones I think others are guilty of automatically discounting players because they happen to by physical and good in the air.

The truth of the matter is that Andy Carroll is a good player, he would outscore most centre forwards that we could attract in just about any system. His main problem is simply that he is very injury prone and for that reason he isn't worth his transfer fee and wages.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Are we seriously talking about Benteke again?

After seeing how crucial an intelligent, mobile forward who can link with midfield (Kane) is, people want a big lump to pump long balls up to? He's an Andy Carroll waiting to happen. Look too at how Lukaku (a better player than Benteke) has also flopped at a passing side. Part of Ade's problem this season was that he was just too static for our quick transitioning.

If we got another forward this summer, they really need to be a Kane-lite.
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Sorry mate but that is gonads, as for Lukaku being a better player he can not trap a bag of cement while Benteke has a good touch.
 
Lukaku (who some on here are calling a poor player) has got 8 goals in 30 games this season. Danny Ings (who some are lauding as being a really good target for us) has got 9 goals in 31 games this season.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Lukaku (who some on here are calling a poor player) has got 8 goals in 30 games this season. Danny Ings (who some are lauding as being a really good target for us) has got 9 goals in 31 games this season.
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Lukaku cost what, 35 million? Ings will be less than a third of that and even if his contract wasn't running out I don't see him as more than 15-20 million.

Ings works hard for his team, Lukaku works hard for himself, when he can be bothered.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
To be fair Dier there is marking no one and normally you wouldn't get two attacking players so close together in the box
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Looks to me like Dier is a yard or so out of position, possibly (wrongly) trying to hold a line unaware of Fazio's exact position? Because all die has to do is be a yard back into that space and there's nowhere for Benteke to run to. Would also allow Faio to drop off a touch and be on that second man. Looks like a classic case of CBs not played together much there. As for Benteke, I like him but he he is not the answer. Nor is Ings for me. Or Lukaku. In fact, the forward we should've gone for a year ago in that mid-priced range was Shane Long, who works his gonads off and (with good service) gets goals. Benteke? Oh the noise he'd create after 6 months would be scary of not starting every game...
 
thfcsteff said:
Looks to me like Dier is a yard or so out of position, possibly (wrongly) trying to hold a line unaware of Fazio's exact position? Because all die has to do is be a yard back into that space and there's nowhere for Benteke to run to. Would also allow Faio to drop off a touch and be on that second man. Looks like a classic case of CBs not played together much there. As for Benteke, I like him but he he is not the answer. Nor is Ings for me. Or Lukaku. In fact, the forward we should've gone for a year ago in that mid-priced range was Shane Long, who works his cobblers off and (with good service) gets goals. Benteke? Oh the noise he'd create after 6 months would be scary of not starting every game...
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Interesting to note that the Southampton fans in general are quite unhappy with the performances of both Pelle and Long, players that often get mentioned as ones we should have got.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I think the only difference is that Benteke is from the Congo rather than Gateshead, and has a vowel at the end of his name (the ultimate mark of an exotic player).

Both are very effective in the right system, but completely unsuited to a progressive approach to the game.
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Progressive approach to the game - what a total and complete load of bull!

We were murdered by Fellaini at Old Trafford and equally by Benteke last week. Both teams won comfortably. They won three points and PROGRESSED up the chart. We LOST to long ball tactics - what's progressive in that?

For goodness sake cut this cr*p; both team last Sunday were poor in midfield offering only sporadic service to their front line. The only difference was that Kane tried to dribble his way through and was continuously crowded out for the whole 90 minutes and could not get one shot on goal. Benteke bricked on our back four; you could almost see drops of tinkle dripping from their pants every time he got the ball. And he singularly won them the game; scored the goal and also set up the two other chances for Agbonlahor and Delf by constantly moving across the pitch, receiving the ball and holding on to it under pressure (because he indeed is a big lump) and then bringing his teammates into intelligent positions.

The arrogance and misguidedness of some posts is beyond belief.
 
billyiddo said:
I must have drank more than i realized on Saturday cos i don't recall seeing Benteke offer much, goal aside of course.
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He did, good movement and played the channels well, also created chances for others, Fazio picked him up second half and we did a bit better.
 
Maltese Falcon said:
Progressive approach to the game - what a total and complete load of bull!

We were murdered by Fellaini at Old Trafford and equally by Benteke last week. Both teams won comfortably. They won three points and PROGRESSED up the chart. We LOST to long ball tactics - what's progressive in that?

For goodness sake cut this cr*p; both team last Sunday were poor in midfield offering only sporadic service to their front line. The only difference was that Kane tried to dribble his way through and was continuously crowded out for the whole 90 minutes and could not get one shot on goal. Benteke crudted on our back four; you could almost see drops of tinkle dripping from their pants every time he got the ball. And he singularly won them the game; scored the goal and also set up the two other chances for Agbonlahor and Delf by constantly moving across the pitch, receiving the ball and holding on to it under pressure (because he indeed is a big lump) and then bringing his teammates into intelligent positions.

The arrogance and misguidedness of some posts is beyond belief.
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Don't agree with you all the time but some of the posters on here think real time football is a computer game, good teams present defenders with problem choices, out of six choices any defender will make the wrong choice once, Benteke and Fallaini gave us lots of choices and we were inept at dealing with them, you have to stop the crosses and the set up we are playing means we are patsies.
 
I have no issue with Dier for the goal, he's clearly playing zone, fazio has to win the header, simple as that
 
Jimmy-g said:
Don't agree with you all the time but some of the posters on here think real time football is a computer game, good teams present defenders with problem choices, out of six choices any defender will make the wrong choice once, Benteke and Fallaini gave us lots of choices and we were inept at dealing with them, you have to stop the crosses and the set up we are playing means we are patsies.
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Are you telling me that football in the REAL world is not the same ( or as easy) as on abacus games, well I never. ;)
 
galeforce said:
I have no issue with Dier for the goal, he's clearly playing zone, fazio has to win the header, simple as that
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Is it the right choice for a centre back to be marking a zone with no opponents in his own box when that leaves the other centre back dealing with two players? When there's a crossing opportunity on and cover for the player pressuring the player on the ball.

I don't have a yes/not answer to that, but it seems very strange to me that ti would be the right choice.

Any time our defending depends on one of our centre backs having to win a header against Benteke when he's actually up against two opponents when the cross comes in we're not in a good spot and blaming Fazio seems strange to me.
 
it was a quick ball in, when the ball is out on their right Dier has to be roughly where he is, if there are two men far post then it's the RB that should be coming over to help Fazio

Dier can't see what's behind him

yeah, it's a brick situation for fazio to be left in, but if he doesn't make a play we concede
 
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