Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

I think you are being harsh on Sherwood there mate.

How so? He's intimating that a) as a club we don't want to/like hiring English managers or b) he's likely to be fired because he's English. I don't think that's correct or fair at all.

Or do you mean that i'm being harsh on Sherwood's management?

 

[kanoute16]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

I fail to see why it is acceptable for Sherwood to suggest that the club may be getting rid of him because he is English? The club are getting rid of him because the exact comment he has just made, he's a buffoon who cannot help himself. Is this what being English represents to you Rob?

 

[Superhudd]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Imagine the meltdown if he was to stay another season :lol:

 

[sc25]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

I know.

I figured a win today, and the toys would fly out of prams.

 

[Superhudd]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

This English comment.. It's a basic thought in the English premiership with ex and current players and managers that foreign coaches are seen by chairman as sexy selections that fans love. You see it all the time mentioned by British coaches in support of English coaches on SSN. Let it be said this is the first time I have read or heard ever that such a comment is EDL related, or in the slightest xenophobic.

I am far from happy with Dim Tim's actions, specifically with the media but this latest item is just plain ridiculous and being used to just throw more mud at Dim Tim... Point scoring one would suggest.

This thread is beyond boring now. Needs closing IMO. But please reopen so I can post my little mate once he is gone. :lol:

 

[metalgear]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

it would be a funny statement if said by another manager in a different situation.
just inviting trouble with the the double entendre.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Ok it's done now so let's move on.

Agreed mate, let's do that, good suggestion.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Someone asked what Terry Venables had been like…I think it's fair to say that Venables had the same root character traits as both Redknapp and Sherwood, however he was absolutely one of the smartest and most media-savvy managers I can ever remember. I have little doubt (in hindsight) that he served his own master first and foremost, but he was absolutely marvelous in always presenting the club first, in showing humour, and as importantly, showing humility when necessary. He was also a man who strove to better himself as a coach and continually sought the heights, invested in his own knowledge-base and tried to do better until he realized he had no more left to give, when he (rather gracefully IMO) stepped away to concentrate full-time on things which had become a distraction.

If Sherwood wanted to model his future on a person who has 'some' similar character traits, he should do so on Venables IMO. He might stand a chance of prospering within his own 'personality set' if he did.

A final point on Sherwood. Usually, I admire a man who's honest and won't take bull****. however, for someone who 'knew the club' from the inside for so many years, he was extraordinarily naive to take the job and NOT know there would be bull**** TO take, in our job possibly more than any. He'd seen it (and been part of an advisory) for previous managers. It's one of the reasons why I reached the conclusions I have about him...

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

This English comment.. It's a basic thought in the English premiership with ex and current players and managers that foreign coaches are seen by chairman as sexy selections that fans love. You see it all the time mentioned by British coaches in support of English coaches on SSN. Let it be said this is the first time I have read or heard ever that such a comment is EDL related, or in the slightest xenophobic.

I am far from happy with Dim Tim's actions, specifically with the media but this latest item is just plain ridiculous and being used to just throw more mud at Dim Tim... Point scoring one would suggest.

This thread is beyond boring now. Needs closing IMO. But please reopen so I can post my little mate once he is gone. :lol:

I've never heard it said outside of a handful of pundits and fans, all with very, very limited intelligence.

It never raises comment from me because I don't expect any better from them, doesn't make it any less xenophobic. I expect better from a Spurs manager, even a departed one.

 

[Yiddo]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

I wouldn't mind Tim if he had not had little digs in almost every interview. I have just seen is skysports interview from yesterday and again he is having digs at anyone he can.

 

[DHSF]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

I've never heard it said outside of a handful of pundits and fans, all with very, very limited intelligence.

It never raises comment from me because I don't expect any better from them, doesn't make it any less xenophobic. I expect better from a Spurs manager, even a departed one.

TS made a basic remark in a humorous manner... That is all. Hardly anything to write home about yet the hysteria around the comment is disproportionate.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

TS made a basic remark in a humorous manner... That is all. Hardly anything to write home about yet the hysteria around the comment is disproportionate.

The clear intention behind his comment is that English jobs should be for English managers, or at the very least that looking overseas for a manager is a bad thing.

At best it's small-minded and xenophobic - it's a basic remark, but so are a whole host of other incredibly offensive and inappropriate comments.

 

[DHSF]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

The clear intention behind his comment is that English jobs should be for English managers, or at the very least that looking overseas for a manager is a bad thing.

At best it's small-minded and xenophobic - it's a basic remark, but so are a whole host of other incredibly offensive and inappropriate comments.

Firstly, I think the interviewer had asked an inappropriate question and that took TS by surprise - clearly evident on his expression. Secondly, the intention was to point out that owners of clubs are seduced more by foreign fancy names than English Managers.

Lets be honest its always a recurring issue about how we all prefer players with fancy foreign names - so TS does have a point. If the issue about foreign is applicable to players its also applicable to Managers. All the names bandied about for the job have been foreign.

 

[NWND]

Re: ITK Thread

I still think he's done/said something behind the scenes though. I mean yeah he's spoken a load of ****e in some of his interviews and likely ****ed the board off, but I guess I kind of need to know what was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak.

You just don't know. Maybe the players have come to Levy saying they hate playing for him and they want out in the summer if he's still in charge. That's been doing the rounds in the tabloids, but when a manager 'loses the dressing room' you tend to see horrendous results, when Sherwood, other than the odd one has largely had good results.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Firstly, I think the interviewer had asked an inappropriate question and that took TS by surprise - clearly evident on his expression. Secondly, the intention was to point out that owners of clubs are seduced more by foreign fancy names than English Managers.

Lets be honest its always a recurring issue about how we all prefer players with fancy foreign names - so TS does have a point. If the issue about foreign is applicable to players its also applicable to Managers. All the names bandied about for the job have been foreign.

It's a recurring issue for whom? Apart from one or (or maybe two) poster(s) on this forum, every Spurs fan I know wants the best man for the job - regardless of nationality.

Timmeh making it about English/not English is just as bad as all the fat ****s sat on their arses eating Greggs and watching Jeremy Kyle complaining that all these Polish types have taken all their jobs that they couldn't be bothered doing anyway.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

It's a recurring issue for whom? Apart from one or (or maybe two) poster(s) on this forum, every Spurs fan I know wants the best man for the job - regardless of nationality.

Timmeh making it about English/not English is just as bad as all the fat ****s sat on their arses eating Greggs and watching Jeremy Kyle complaining that all these Polish types have taken all their jobs that they couldn't be bothered doing anyway.

Spurs have gone the Foreign route with managers many times in the past with precious little to show for it (Ramos' League Cup being the exception that proves the rule).

The fact remains that our greatest successes have come with English managers at the helm, usually promoted from within the club.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Spurs have gone the Foreign route with managers many times in the past with precious little to show for it (Ramos' League Cup being the exception that proves the rule).

The fact remains that our greatest successes have come with English managers at the helm, usually promoted from within the club.

That's possibly one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in a long time. Correlation DOES NOT equal causation (something well worth bearing in mind when looking at Timmeh's win %).

All of our success came a long time ago. A long time ago there were very, very few foreign coaches in this country. That doesn't mean that the lack of a foreign coach made us successful, any more than having an English coach back then made Emirates Marketing Project or Chelsea ****e.

The success or failure of our previous coaches has nothing to do with their nationality, and it's more than a little distressing to hear (of all people) a Spurs fan suggest otherwise.

If we're looking to try and employ an English coach, what else should we stipulate? Do they have to be male? How about heterosexual? How about white? All of our success has come under the management of male, white heterosexual managers - doesn't logic follow that we should continue that trend?

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

This English comment.. It's a basic thought in the English premiership with ex and current players and managers that foreign coaches are seen by chairman as sexy selections that fans love. You see it all the time mentioned by British coaches in support of English coaches on SSN. Let it be said this is the first time I have read or heard ever that such a comment is EDL related, or in the slightest xenophobic.

I am far from happy with Dim Tim's actions, specifically with the media but this latest item is just plain ridiculous and being used to just throw more mud at Dim Tim... Point scoring one would suggest.

This thread is beyond boring now. Needs closing IMO. But please reopen so I can post my little mate once he is gone. :lol:

The problem is that English players, and therefore coaches a decade later, are less well educated than a lot of international players. Listen to Brad Friedel or Tim Howard speak compared with your average knuckle-scraping chavy England player and wonder why we don't produce capable coaches. Or just the inane drivel that ex-player pundits come out with. How many English coaches have sports psychology/science or other degrees? Mourinho, Pellegrini and Wenger all do. Even Iain Dowie (Irish) does.

In the FA report last week, one thing that wasn't highlighted was the figure that Spain have more than 10 times the number of qualified coaches working at grass roots than we do (and a smaller population).

Until we get our coaches as well qualified and capable as the international competition, it's always going to be a handicap to have an English coach. Hodgson, Mclaren, Adkins, McDemott, Clough are currently the top English managers (Pulis being Welsh of course) - it's hardly an enticing field.

Also, anyone that knows anything about our club knows internationalism is in our heritage. Ossie and Ricky and the ticker tape (first major overseas signings in the country). Klinsmannia. Blimey, the club was even founded by Scots (students from St John's Scottish Presbyterian school).

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

Spurs have gone the Foreign route with managers many times in the past with precious little to show for it (Ramos' League Cup being the exception that proves the rule).

The fact remains that our greatest successes have come with English managers at the helm, usually promoted from within the club.

No English manager has ever won the EPL.

Kenny Dalglish in 1994/5 was the only EPL winning manager with prior experience of managing (or playing) in England.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood…not treated with the respect a headmaster is.

How so? He's intimating that a) as a club we don't want to/like hiring English managers or b) he's likely to be fired because he's English. I don't think that's correct or fair at all.

Or do you mean that i'm being harsh on Sherwood's management?

I think that it was just a joke. I don't think that he is seriously suggesting for one minute that is the reason he is leaving.