Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[SirPercyHotspur]

Interesting because from what I was told the future of the ground and its continued success which in turn reflects on more money into the club is that they need the hotel to feed into other revenues (the meeting and events needs a hotel to support it, over nights before games, maor representation on global events like concerts/NFL etc.

We will see I suppose

I think the hotel has received a lot of publicity that is OTT, it's only planned to have a 180 rooms and the stadium is doing very nicely so far with concerts and NFL and no hotel.
Yes it would be convenient for a few but if your a top exec you get your chauffeur to drive you to and from the stadium to one of the plethora of 5 star hotels in central London.
Anyway defintely on hold and very doubtful to be completed for the Euros , just goes to show don't listen to rumour or twitnews , for more reliable info ask your ST rep or member rep to ask at FAB meetings .

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

, just goes to show don't listen to rumour or twitnews , for more reliable info ask your ST rep or member rep to ask at FAB meetings

Or those that work there is seems.

Or the press release on the residential plans changing

The news the FAB get is only as reliable as those that tell them, if they are selling the club and this is to clean up the sale (ala ousting Levy) then I suspect the hotel will eventually come back on board

 

[Gutter Boy]

I think the hotel has received a lot of publicity that is OTT, it's only planned to have a 180 rooms and the stadium is doing very nicely so far with concerts and NFL and no hotel.
Yes it would be convenient for a few but if your a top exec you get your chauffeur to drive you to and from the stadium to one of the plethora of 5 star hotels in central London.
Anyway defintely on hold and very doubtful to be completed for the Euros , just goes to show don't listen to rumour or twitnews , for more reliable info ask your ST rep or member rep to ask at FAB meetings .

I reckon the bigger plan in the pipeline is to build an arena venue, like City's, on the school playing field on Worcester Avenue.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

The hotel being operational for hosting Euro 2028 is mentioned in the most recent planning application: https://londonboroughofharingey.my....?c__r=Arcus_BE_Public_Register&tabset-3892f=3

That's the planning application for using the Goods Yard as a temporary Events carpark (including for Euro 2028) and as a construction storage site. It mentions it will help with delivering the hotel in time for Euro 2028 (along with other development projects), but that doesn't mean the hotel is a requirement for hosting Euro 2028.

 

[Mikey10]

Alot of that on his own doing and choice, there were 100% elements he didn't want to have to deal with or be responsible for despite having final says. Thats not a defence of him BTW, but everyone gets tired and Spurs is a monster now, its one of the largest if not the largest football operation in the world.

PS the Hotel is still going ahead, the owners are not stupid enough commercially to not see through that project considering the need for it to activate the clubs full commercial potential

I’ll stick with believing Lee McQueen, given he got everything else right.

Few ITK bods claiming he's gone

So a new 5 year deal announced ?

Probably the same ones who said Slot had been sacked immediately after yesterday’s game.

All building work on the hotel has been shelved indefinitely.

Building was due to have started already, I know a subcontractor who had one of the largest packages.

BUT WE MUST HAVE IT FOR EURO 2008!

Interesting because not long ago they announced a plan for the residential tower. Was at a tradeshow where the Spurs meeting and events team were also promoting the hotel.

Will do some digging

Unlike anyone at the site…

 

[SirPercyHotspur]

Or those that work there is seems.

Or the press release on the residential plans changing

The news the FAB get is only as reliable as those that tell them, if they are selling the club and this is to clean up the sale (ala ousting Levy) then I suspect the hotel will eventually come back on board

Any news will come through the club, below is what was said in the last statement in March 2025, until they find outside backing I doubt we will see either the hotel or residental towers.

The Club construction spend on the planned Hotel next to the stadium in the financial period was circa £3m. The Hotel will need to be part of a significantly larger development with other external stakeholders. This is a long-term project which would be non recourse to the Club and be part of the redevelopment of High Road West as well as other sites.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Any news will come through the club, below is what was said in the last statement in March 2025, until they find outside backing I doubt we will see either the hotel or residental towers.

The Club construction spend on the planned Hotel next to the stadium in the financial period was circa £3m. The Hotel will need to be part of a significantly larger development with other external stakeholders. This is a long-term project which would be non recourse to the Club and be part of the redevelopment of High Road West as well as other sites.

Which is why I think the whole "we are not for sale" was rubbish, I also think that plays into Levy being ousted because its a much easier transaction to make if he is not around

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I’ll stick with believing Lee McQueen, given he got everything else right.

Haha I would, I am not listening to anyone that works for the club again haha

 

[Muttley]

We have done it for ages now, bad money on bad money spent on doubling down on players who are but can't make the next level. We did for year at RB, massive money relative to their ability on Aurier, Royal, then trying cheaper with the Wolves fella, Porro for 50m who everyone knows is a WB not a RB, people on here convinced Spence is ample LB cover etc. Son to Tel and Odobert making him up in the average when neither have had a season of regular G/A is asking too much of any manager, thats not a defence of Frank thats just a reality, its like a sh1t version of Moneyball but where the maths and stats don't make sense.

We are stock piling CM's without any real rhyme of reason for it, all these 30/40/50m on players just to aimlessly seem to throw darts at a board ontop of the young lads who we bring in who now have less of a route or development path.

Richy and Solanke for a combined 120m or so, based on Solanke having one good goalscoring season, to replace the greatest goal scorer still playing in the world, I mean he is hard to replace but my GHod you at least try. We signed Vicario as the cheaper alternative to Raya and it shows, Kinsky is asking too much of as seen last season, he just appears a younger version

I think people are in all sorts of delusion about this squad, thats not a defence of Frank, it should be better than he is doing, but I am not having it that they are the levels some make out. The way some talk about tactics and influence on making them better, without any history of them even being that good is like me claiming a good manager would have made Jason Dozzell a 25 goal a year striker

Its a sad view maybe, but there isn't one player in the side that has the quality, under this or the last manager where I think "I will take a punt and pay to watch Spurs today" Thats not being OTT, just that if anyone in this side got sold tomorrow be it MVDV, Romero etc, I wouldn't lose sleep.

Such a poignant post for me. I've talked about the quality over quantity model for years. I swear we are buying up to twice the amount of players that the successful clubs are buying to improve themselves. It is just one big numbers game with recruitment with Spurs. Spray and pray.

Perhaps another reality is that the biggest players won't join us anyway.

 

[thfcsteff]

Well there’s two points I was making.

1. Reading through the posts it is clear that a section of the fan base who didn’t want Ange sacked have been really anti-Frank. They never really got behind him.

So...I knew Ange was gone as we got into April. I hoped that perhaps a Europa League victory would get a reconsider, but I had trained myself to understand they were done with him. I wanted to see what the energy of victory could bring -the intangible that exists beyond any data or powerpoint presentations- but again, I accepted that our club was one of business decisions and data-driven policy. On that chord, I felt Frank was probably the best appointment for a club operating like we did (do?). I invested great faith that Frank would develop a style of football which reflected the Brentford he got promoted with, not the Brentford he was in the Premier League with. But yes, that side of it scared me, because I don't enjoy Brentford's football. I pledged my full-support. I acquieseced to what we as a club were doing, and hoped we would do it both well and with a nod to the style of who we are. I will (for my own clarity and no-one else's) think further on any sub-conscious bias I might hold, but the truth is, if the football we produce was good/entertained me, then I'd be wholly supportive. I like Frank as a person, I think he seems like an extremely decent guy. But truthfully, I've been done for a little while with him, and simply trying to find reasons to support him further.

Almost like they wanted him to fail so they could say: “see I told you…should have kept Ange”

Personally speaking, absoluely not true. I support Tottenham Hotspur. I beg to be wrong in such aspects, and anyway, that'd be a ridiculous thing to say because Ange might've wholly failed even more.

2. If things like the placebo effect is proven. And even a doctor knowing whether a drug is real or a placebo has a proven effect (so they have to hide the placebo from the doctor too during medical studies: a double blind). Then it is an interesting question: did the divisive negative fans effect TS’ performance. Did it have no effect at all? Does having the fans fully onboard help a manager?

He swears he pays no attention to outside noise. I would say he is not at all used to this sort of scrutiny both internally and externally, that his biggest issues have been the turbulence around him in the boardroom, and the increasing issues in the dressing room. I'd say that if the boardroom was solid, if he wasn't seeing DoF's hired for 2 months and then leaving, he'd feel much better.
Personally, I think there has to be some merit to what you're saying, as I do believe in positive energy being powerful. However personally-speaking, I find it hard to support the work someone's doing when (to my eyes anyway) it is based on hope of something different coming rather than tangible signs now. I accept the injuries are an issue, but equipment and principle of creation are not mutual. If a poet only has a lump of coal to write a poem with as opposed to a Montblanc, that poet should be able to fashion that lump of coal enough to write their style of poem. I would not expect the poet to modify their style to be more simplistic simply because the lump is not an idea vessel to use to write.

 

[thfcsteff]

But we’re seeing Tel and Odo get in good situations and unable to execute.

Yesterday, the double miss hit early was tragic. A couple were they cut inside and fluffed. Son regularly cut in and bet shots in the corner which were goals of his own making. These guys hit it closer to the corner flag. Not one ‘great’ goal amongst them all season.

They’re not good enough. They’re not a patch on the Madders and Son etc.

Ps. We gave up in the league at the halfway mark last season. There wasn’t much attacking and goalscoring.

These young players need patterns of play and confidence. Let's face it, the treatment of Mathys Tel has been shocking. The CL squad thing was unfortunate, but that being said, he should've been getting regular, regular time. Instead, a few cameos with the 'if you don't produce you're out' scenario. He produces against Leeds which should earn him a run, and then he gets nothing? It's been poor, poor player management. That we are seeing anything other than shattered confidence tells me this guy might explode under the right management because he has the raw talent and the stones. Odobert is a player I have felt was a 'quota' signing for sometime, having said that, he has produced flashes of great quality and quite obviously needs structure andf coaching to improve decisions. Both have to have suffered confidence-wise. But honestly, that double-chance came very early and from a cross. Why are we not creating patterns of play through the pitch using triangles and what-not to actually utilize their skills as opposed to wanting them to just 'get on the end' of swung balls?

 

[thfcsteff]

Lee McQueen, who accurately predicted everything (he said having been given information from inside the boardroom) from Ange being sacked to Levy being ousted, said before his appointment that the next manager (i.e. Frank) wouldn’t be a Levy pick.

I think Levy’s control had ebbed away much more than anyone outside the club realised before he eventually got the boot.

The wild thing was he genuinely, genuinely thought he could win through. He the last person to understand it was over. There's a great sadness and tragedy to this. I got to hear many stories about him over the years from people working at the club, and indeed briefly met him. I would say that one thing which could never be doubted is his fervor the work he did. He was the ultimate 24 hour a day guy, sometimes to his detriment (and ours) but I have little doubt that no other chairman in sport could'vce achieved the non-pitch advances we made (which are actually insane). All he needed was to ease off 20% on football stuff and actually let people do the their jobs. Again, I think he really, really tried (Arnesen, etc). Ironically, it appears to have been his faith in appointing Munn which really led to his own demise.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

The wild thing was he genuinely, genuinely thought he could win through. He the last person to understand it was over. There's a great sadness and tragedy to this. I got to hear many stories about him over the years from people working at the club, and indeed briefly met him. I would say that one thing which could never be doubted is his fervor the work he did. He was the ultimate 24 hour a day guy, sometimes to his detriment (and ours) but I have little doubt that no other chairman in sport could'vce achieved the non-pitch advances we made (which are actually insane). All he needed was to ease off 20% on football stuff and actually let people do the their jobs. Again, I think he really, really tried (Arnesen, etc). Ironically, it appears to have been his faith in appointing Munn which really led to his own demise.

Probably the most balanced post ive read on here.

Sums it up perfectly

 

[Daisuk]

Could the board be smoking out Frank by «supporting» him and basically let him deal with the pressure on his own? It must be excruciating for him at the moment. At some point you just down tools having to work under these circumstances and resign, right? Could it be a cynical play from the board to save the severance pay? Every single fan and pundit have sacked him already, will the board let him fry in that fat?

I feel for the guy, it can’t be easy.

 

[Gazza]

I’ve heard that he’s gone. Players thrown him under the bus apparently. Not sure if I want to believe it. Probably bollox.

 

[Daisuk]

I’ve heard that he’s gone. Players thrown him under the bus apparently. Not sure if I want to believe it. Probably bollox.

Matt Law begs to differ.

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[MartyFunkhouser]

Gone.....

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Gone.....

Sauce..

 

[BrentwoodSpur]

I’ve heard that he’s gone. Players thrown him under the bus apparently. Not sure if I want to believe it. Probably bollox.

Sauce mkii?

 

[Mikey10]

Sauce..

HP.